Yaliza Drow Invk vs Feral Ninja Roshun

| Yaliza         ||                          |

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| Str: 18(18)    || Level: 50 Sex: M      Age  : 522(87h)        |

| Int: 24(24)^2  || Class: invoker        Ethos: chaotic         |

| Wis: 20(20)    || Race : drow           Align: evil            |

| Dex: 24(24)^6  || Hp   :  852/870       Exp  : 38218/627782    |

| Con: 16(16)^6  || Mana : 1408/1408                             |

\ Lck: [||||--]  / Move :  482/482       +Hit: 13   +Dam: 13    /

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|     ARMOR      ||      SAVES       || Deity : Lloth            |

| Slash :  -641  || Spell      : -20 || Faith : Mystic           |

| Pierce:  -627  || Afflictive : -11 || Weight: 304/325          |

| Blunt :  -596  || Maledictive: -19 || Items : 34/43            |

| Magic :  -634  || Mental     : -26 || Prac  : 0     Train: 0   |

|                || Breath     : -2  || RP    : 58               |

|                ||                  || Gold  : 51K   CP: 3.1k   |

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/ Condition: You are in the prime of your health.                \

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| [NEXUS] forces are aiding your violent instincts.              |

 

So This was painful for me.

 

  Yaliza                           Trail through forest

 $Roshan        (WANTED)           In the Mountains

<870hp 1384m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 You are affected by the following:

Spell: fire shield    : for 7 hours

Spell: protective shield: for 3 hours

Spell: giant strength : modifies str by 2 for 15 hours

Spell: sanctuary      : for 2 hours

Spell: missile shield : for 0 hours

Spell: pass door      : for 1 hours

Spell: fly            : for 16 hours

Spell: detect invis   : for 22 hours

Spell: detect magic   : for 22 hours

Spell: stone skin     : modifies ac by -40 for 20 hours

Spell: armor          : modifies ac by -20 for 9 hours

Spell: shield         : modifies ac by -20 for 9 hours

<870hp 1384m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 

c fires

You tap into the bone cane of Wohpat adorned with a soul tear's mana pool and reinforce your spell.

You create a vortex of fire, sulfur, and brimstone overhead.

<870hp 1365m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 

golden

You get the Golden Flower of the Jungle from a portable hole.

<870hp 1365m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 You eat the Golden Flower of the Jungle.

You cause your flesh to numb and thicken.

<870hp 1365m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 

where

Crystalmir Lake is [NEXUS] controlled.  Players near you:

  Yaliza                           Trail through forest

 $Roshan        (WANTED)           In the Mountains

<870hp 1365m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 

can missile

You tap into the bone cane of Wohpat adorned with a soul tear's mana pool and reinforce your spell.

Your missile shield collapses.

Ok.

<870hp 1358m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 

missile

You get a scroll of missile immunity from a portable hole.

<870hp 1358m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 You recite a scroll of missile immunity.

You mispronounce a syllable.                                               That Sucked.

<870hp 1358m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 

where

Without cover Roshan is peleted with flaming debris!

Roshan yells 'Help! I've just walked into Yaliza's firestorm!'

Your Firestorm MUTILATES Roshan!

Roshan rides in.

Roshan has a few scratches. 

Yaliza: [===|===|===|===]

<870hp 1358m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 

Your firestorm spews forth a cloud of fiery brimstone!

Your Firestorm wounds Roshan.

Your digestion misses Roshan.

Roshan dodges your attack.

The Hunter Eternal's fury MUTILATES you!

You parry Roshan's attack.

Roshan's spear charge mauls you.

Roshan's bladed onslaught mauls you.

Roshan's spear charge MUTILATES you!

Roshan's bladed onslaught devastates you!

Roshan's tsuki strike grazes you.

"Decobru" the Gladiator Broadsword sears your flesh with flames.

Roshan's flaming bite scratches you.

Your fire shield injures Roshan.

Roshan has a few scratches. 

Yaliza: [===|===|===|=--]

<707hp 1358m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 

Roshan disrupts your ability to concentrate.

Roshan's fury grazes you.

Roshan has a few scratches. 

Yaliza: [===|===|===|=--]

<700hp 1358m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 Crystalmir Lake is [NEXUS] controlled.  Players near you:

  Yaliza                           Trail through forest

 $Roshan        (WANTED)           Trail through forest

Roshan has a few scratches. 

Yaliza: [===|===|===|=--]

<700hp 1358m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 

c dis

You tap into the bone cane of Wohpat adorned with a soul tear's mana pool and reinforce your spell.

You failed.

Roshan has a few scratches. 

Yaliza: [===|===|===|=--]

<700hp 1353m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 

Your Firestorm injures Roshan.

Your digestion misses Roshan.

Roshan parries your attack.

You parry Roshan's attack.

Roshan's spear charge decimates you!

Roshan's bladed onslaught decimates you!

Roshan feigns and reaches out towards you.

Roshan's shadow strike misses you.

Roshan's spear charge wounds you.

Roshan's bladed onslaught decimates you!

Roshan's spear charge devastates you!

Roshan's tsuki strike grazes you.

"Decobru" the Gladiator Broadsword sears your flesh with flames.

Roshan's flaming bite scratches you.

Your fire shield decimates Roshan!

Roshan has some small wounds and bruises. 

Yaliza: [===|===|==-|---]

<569hp 1353m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 

c call

You tap into the bone cane of Wohpat adorned with a soul tear's mana pool and reinforce your spell.

Deep thunder rolls and sheets of lightning strike your foes!

Sparks arc around Roshan's armor!

Your lightning bolt *** DEMOLISHES *** Roshan!

Roshan's armor glows with ghostly blue hue and the air crackles with charge.

Your lightning bolt maims Roshan!

Roshan has some small wounds and bruises. 

Yaliza: [===|===|==-|---]

<569hp 1348m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 

c call

You tap into the bone cane of Wohpat adorned with a soul tear's mana pool and reinforce your spell.

You lost your concentration.

The brimstone clouds begin to rain fiery hail!

Your Firestorm MASSACRES Roshan!

Roshan dodges your attack.

Your digestion misses Roshan.

The Hunter Eternal's fury LACERATES you!

Roshan's bladed onslaught decimates you!

You parry Roshan's attack.

Roshan's bladed onslaught decimates you!

Roshan feigns and reaches out towards you.

Roshan's shadow strike misses you.

You parry Roshan's attack.

Roshan's bladed onslaught decimates you!

Roshan's tsuki strike grazes you.

Your fire shield mauls Roshan.

Roshan has quite a few wounds. 

Yaliza: [===|===|---|---]

<440hp 1346m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 

Roshan's fury misses you.

Roshan has quite a few wounds. 

Yaliza: [===|===|---|---]

<440hp 1346m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 

fle

You flee from combat!

Your attention diverted, the firestorm collapses.

Smoldering Campsite

  The campsite smells like burned hair. Charred bones lie in the ashes of the

fire pit. The grass has been stamped down around the area.

[Exits: north east west]

     There is a fire pit here, still smoldering.

<440hp 1346m 480mv> [Exits: N E W] 12 

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Trail through forest

  Heavily wrapped feet tread upon this trail a short time ago.  You smell smoke 

and you hope there is no fire, for this old forest will be overcome in an 

instant.

[Exits: south west]

(WANTED) (White Aura) Roshan the Prince of Genzou is here, sitting astride a warhorse.

<440hp 1346m 479mv> [Exits: S W] 12 

s

Jakanth Vale

  Trails lead deeper into the woods, but even at its edge an unnatural

stillness has settled on the place. The woods seem much the same, but

there is a subtle difference, a heaviness in the air. Even the insects are

silent.

[Exits: north east south]

<440hp 1346m 477mv> [Exits: N E S] 12 

s

Sentinal Gap

  Walls of granite soar on either side of the narrow canyon floor. A chilly

breeze whistles and rumbles between the cliffs.

[Exits: north east south west]

<440hp 1346m 476mv> [Exits: N E S W] 12 

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e

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Path along the Lake

  You are walking on a path that follows the shore of the lake.

[Exits: north east south west]

<440hp 1346m 475mv> [Exits: N E S W] 12 North shore of Crystalmir Lake

  The blue of the autumn sky darkens on the deep stillness of the lake. The

soft forests of giant vallenwood border the serene waters on the eastern, 

southern and western shores. To the north a patchwork of fields stretches

toward the distant purple mountains.

[Exits: north east south west]

A fish is swimming merrily by...

<440hp 1346m 474mv> [Exits: N E S W] 12 Path along lake

  You are walking along a path that follows the shore of the lake.

[Exits: north south west]

<440hp 1346m 473mv> [Exits: N S W] 12 

The blood on your hands focuses and invigorates you.

You feel fully refreshed!

<460hp 1374m 481mv> [Exits: N S W] 13 

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Alas, you cannot go that way.

<460hp 1374m 481mv> [Exits: N S W] 13 Alas, you cannot go that way.

<460hp 1374m 481mv> [Exits: N S W] 13 

missile

You get a scroll of missile immunity from a portable hole.

<460hp 1374m 481mv> [Exits: N S W] 13 You recite a scroll of missile immunity.

You are now protected from ranged weapons.

You have become better at scrolls! [93%]

<460hp 1374m 481mv> [Exits: N S W] 13 

Roshan rides in.

<460hp 1374m 481mv> [Exits: N S W] 13 

c fires

You yell 'Help! Roshan just tore apart my face!'

Roshan disrupts your ability to concentrate.

Roshan's fury scratches you.

Roshan has quite a few wounds. 

Yaliza: [===|===|=--|---]

<458hp 1374m 481mv> [Exits: N S W] 13 

Your digestion misses Roshan.

The Hunter Eternal's fury misses you.

You parry Roshan's attack.

Roshan feigns and reaches out towards you.

Roshan's shadow strike injures you.

You parry Roshan's attack.

You parry Roshan's attack.

Roshan's spear charge decimates you!

Roshan's bladed onslaught decimates you!

Roshan's tsuki strike hits you.

"Decobru" the Gladiator Broadsword sears your flesh with flames.

Roshan's flaming bite scratches you.

Your fire shield injures Roshan.

Roshan has quite a few wounds. 

Yaliza: [===|===|---|---]

<379hp 1374m 481mv> [Exits: N S W] 13 You tap into the bone cane of Wohpat adorned with a soul tear's mana pool and reinforce your spell.

You create a vortex of fire, sulfur, and brimstone overhead.

Your firestorm devastates Roshan!

Roshan has quite a few wounds. 

Yaliza: [===|===|---|---]

<379hp 1355m 481mv> [Exits: N S W] 13 

c word

Your Firestorm injures Roshan.

Roshan parries your attack.

You parry Roshan's attack.

You parry Roshan's attack.

Roshan's bladed onslaught decimates you!

Roshan feigns and reaches out towards you.

Roshan's shadow strike decimates you!

You parry Roshan's attack.

You parry Roshan's attack.

Roshan's tsuki strike grazes you.

Your fire shield devastates Roshan!

Roshan has quite a few wounds. 

Yaliza: [===|==-|---|---]

<321hp 1355m 481mv> [Exits: N S W] 13 You tap into the bone cane of Wohpat adorned with a soul tear's mana pool and reinforce your spell.

Your attention diverted, the firestorm collapses.

The Temple

  Statues of spiders and drow women still stand in the temple, though many

are now cracked and crumbling.  Erected on the back wall, staring towards

the entrance, the stony visage of a beautiful drow watches over the temple. 

Scripture tomes litter the floor, pages tattered and torn.  In the back, an

elevated platform hosts an altar carved in black marble.  

[Exits: (down)]

[WARMASTER] |||||| An army Staging Camp has been built here.

     A black altar is here to collect mortal gifts for the gods.

(White Aura) The Spider Priestess, Zalestia, oversees the remains of the temple.

 

I TOOK ALOT OF DAMAGE QUICKLY NOT DOING THAT AGAIN.  GREAT FIGHT ROSHAN :) 

 

Anonymous poster hash: c30df...b84

Looks pretty balanced to me. If he wasn't dealing that kind of damage, he'd have no chance against you at all. I think you two will have some very intense, fun fights! Very little leeway for mistakes on either side with this kind of output.

9 minutes ago, Celerity said:

Looks pretty balanced to me. If he wasn't dealing that kind of damage, he'd have no chance against you at all. I think you two will have some very intense, fun fights! Very little leeway for mistakes on either side with this kind of output.

I dont know Celerity they seem to be doing around the same kinda damage yet the Ninja can Acupuncure-Cure light-Hide/Vanish/Fury.  Are we looking at the same fight?

Wait what.. there was lightning and he still got the better of you? Dam, couldn't even get two of them out eh before he melted you with -630 AC. I don't even know what to say. Usually, if an Invoker has lightning going, 9/10 times it's death for whoever steps up to the plate if they have a fully charged staff. 

 

<700hp 1353m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 

Your Firestorm injures Roshan.

Your digestion misses Roshan.

Roshan parries your attack.

You parry Roshan's attack.

Roshan's spear charge decimates you!

Roshan's bladed onslaught decimates you!

Roshan feigns and reaches out towards you.

Roshan's shadow strike misses you.

Roshan's spear charge wounds you.

Roshan's bladed onslaught decimates you!

Roshan's spear charge devastates you!

Roshan's tsuki strike grazes you.

"Decobru" the Gladiator Broadsword sears your flesh with flames.

Roshan's flaming bite scratches you.

Your fire shield decimates Roshan!

Roshan has some small wounds and bruises. 

Yaliza: [===|===|==-|---]

<569hp 1353m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 

c call

You tap into the bone cane of Wohpat adorned with a soul tear's mana pool and reinforce your spell.

Deep thunder rolls and sheets of lightning strike your foes!

Sparks arc around Roshan's armor!

Your lightning bolt *** DEMOLISHES *** Roshan!

Roshan's armor glows with ghostly blue hue and the air crackles with charge.

Your lightning bolt maims Roshan!

Roshan has some small wounds and bruises. 

Yaliza: [===|===|==-|---]

<569hp 1348m 481mv> [Exits: S W] 12 

c call

You tap into the bone cane of Wohpat adorned with a soul tear's mana pool and reinforce your spell.

You lost your concentration.  ------------) Yup there you go, anti Invoker in effect 

The brimstone clouds begin to rain fiery hail!

Your Firestorm MASSACRES Roshan!

Roshan dodges your attack.

Your digestion misses Roshan.

The Hunter Eternal's fury LACERATES you!  ----------------) You already know you messed up here. 

Roshan's bladed onslaught decimates you!

You parry Roshan's attack.

Roshan's bladed onslaught decimates you!

Roshan feigns and reaches out towards you.

Roshan's shadow strike misses you.

You parry Roshan's attack.

Roshan's bladed onslaught decimates you!

Roshan's tsuki strike grazes you.

Your fire shield mauls Roshan.

Roshan has quite a few wounds. 

Mother of Jesus those two rounds suck donkey balls. Feral Ninja = Invoker bane, Warrior Bane, Monk Bane, Cleric Bane, Shaman Bane, Paladin Bane, Battlemage Bane, Necromancer Bane, Bard Bane, Berserker Bane, Ranger Bane, Healer Bane, Blademaster Bane, Darknight Bane... am I missing anything? 

Wait, why haven't I rolled a feral ninja yet??

The invoker can do a lot more damage than was shown in this log, but the ninja probably won't ever get much more output than shown here. Usually less, if the invoker gains the initiative (completely defensive in this log, from the moment of the failed scroll and reinforced with the lack of firestorm, then the in-combat firestorm later).

The ninja was maybe one lightning cast behind the invoker, despite only casting the one lightning. The dispel/firestorm changed to call lightnings alone would have put the ninja on the defensive, much less the further extras that were possible with better timing and luck on fury.

If the feral is furying, they aren't doing other ninja stuff, so that is also good for the invoker.

Invokers are nasty as it is, so yes, I agree that it's good to see that ferals can really give them a run for their money, but still, he was melted pretty quick. He literally out damaged an invoker with lightning up. Ruh Roh..

Yeah, but the invoker cuts him up too just as fast, so I think it works out in this example.

1 minute ago, Celerity said:

Yeah, but the invoker cuts him up too just as fast, so I think it works out in this example.

 

Invoker got smoked before the fight even started.  This should be the Ferals Baine in my opinion.

You can easily flip that statement around to say that feral should be mage banes. In reality, they tend to 'bane' each other, esp. invokers due to their output.

Races don't -really- have banes. Classes do, but not as hard as it used to be. Invokers are quite weak to rogues/shaman, so a high-output ninja is actually a slight invoker bane.

I think a ninja bane would be more effective than a feral bane, if you want to kill a feral ninja. What is a ninja bane? I don't know since the rework, but in the past they have been heavy melees and thieves (ranger, warrior, crusader, vamp, thief).

There is some minor synergy in race and class though, in this case. A fire giant warrior, for instance, would be very difficult for a feral ninja. However, when you add in cabals, an ogre warrior will be superior to a fire giant warrior against a watcher feral ninja.

I dont play Melle so I couldn't tell you.  Yet it seems like a Feral being able to cancel out their Vuln in (Cabal stuff)  is Stupid IMO.  Also  Fire Giants have a very nasty Vuln = To fire and they dont have ways to stop their Vuln.  I dont see frost cloaks floating around.

 

I am the first to admit I have a hard on for Ferals.  I hate them and think they are just ridiculous to deal with as a mage when the player knows what they are doing.

Feral cannot cancel fire vuln in "cabal stuff"

2 minutes ago, Kyzarius said:

Feral cannot cancel fire vuln in "cabal stuff"

Last I checked you just had to stand on some water and do something.......Ferals can't do this?  I am anti Feral and wont be jumping on the OP TRAIN.

"You cannot protect yourself from your vulnerability"

 

This was changed a while ago to prevent it.

I do agree that you shouldn't be changing resists/immunities directly through equipment. Adding an HP buffer or stacking saves to help compensate a vuln is fine, but directly adding additional resists/imm via equipment (or cabal skill) is a bad thing. It is even worse if the race can cover a vuln with it. I'm with you on that. Ring of Abyss/Ash Cloak type equipment is never going to balance well, no matter how unique you make it.

The feral vuln to invokers is not because of fire but because of a low HP base. Invoker damage is unblockable, so all the feral melee perks don't help. That is why they have fury and the highest racial melee output in the game. Feral are effectively vuln to unblockable damage. Think on those terms, instead of focusing on the fire part. The fire vuln is mostly a weapon vuln.

This is why ogres are so much better than feral in the classes they share. Ogres are effectively resistant to unblockable damage and have almost the same output as feral. However, feral can be rogues, so that is where you will see most of them.

7 minutes ago, Celerity said:

I do agree that you shouldn't be covering vulns directly through equipment. Adding HP buffer or stacking saves to help compensate a vuln is fine, but directly adding resist/imm via equipment is a bad thing. It is even worse if the race can cover a vuln with it. I'm with you on that. Ring of Abyss/Ash Cloak type equipment is never going to balance well, no matter how unique you make it.

Aff/spell saves work alright, hp, consumables  and protection spells. 

I too find the vulnerability covering equipment a little buff.  But then again it makes you a bit of a target. 

It's interesting in a feral v feral match up since neither can really take advantage of the vulnerability to begin with.

I have been getting my ass kicked by Kotrag/Kelmi/Cenlar  For over 3 months.  I hate Ferals.....(LOL)

 

Anything I say is BIAS

It is good to bring up concerns because if you have them, others probably do too. It is important that they are addressed, biased or not, as long as it doesn't degenerate into trash spewing.

Plus, the forum is kinda quiet the last few days, so it brings some welcome activity.

So much misinformation in this thread. 

I am not even sure what this thread is about? Is it about "ninjas OP" or about "ferals OP"? :P

When I play a dark knight, my favourite malform food is 1) ogres 2) ferals.

Honestly, if someone told me that ferals would one day be considered OP by anyone, I would have laughed.

By the way, in this log, the guy spent 6 rounds trying to fury you. He landed 2 out of 3 furies.

On the other hand, you casted 5 out of 6 spells successfully while being under fury effect. Again, what exactly is your complaint here? You on the other hand messed up from the very start.

I dont think the guy complained at all.  We just started talking about other random stuff there Foxxy pooooo

 

Now what I said is Feral Thiefs/Ninjas suck and I hate you all!  And they are OP big guy. :)

Honestly, I consider his use of fury in this log a mistake. He could have used his battle time better, which would have increased his melee output by quite a bit.