Yaliza Drow Invk vs Feral Ninja Roshun

4 hours ago, Kyzarius said:

"You cannot protect yourself from your vulnerability"

 

This was changed a while ago to prevent it.

The man speaks the truth. 

What I want to know is why did you flee after he lagged himself for 2 ROUNDS?

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Roshan's fury misses you.Roshan has quite a few wounds.

We're talking 4-8 call lightnings if they go through. Say half do. 4 OBLITERATES?

Why was this even an issue in this fight? 

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** [Exits: N S W] 13 c word**

This is also ridiculously stupid. When fighting a feral why would you bother trying to CAST RECALL? You can get staves, potions and pills which have the same effect and aren't affected by fury? I mean really...

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Honestly, I consider his use of fury in this log a mistake. He could have used his battle time better, which would have increased his melee output by quite a bit.

I would of waited for fury until much later. You would of most likely died if timed better.

I suppose its like anything over powered: Celerity's Clerics, Anumes Vampires, H&R's DKS, Chesta's shamans etc... If you can replicate it, I invite you to try :)

What I do see a lot of is people saying. OMFG this is overpowered. Im going to roll one. And then completely failing.

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Why did you do this?

Because I saw he missed and when he can take 300 Hp in 2 rounds thats why I got out of there.  Perhaps you cant see where my HP is. PERHAPS YOU DIDNT SEE THE FIRST 2 ROUNDS

Dont worry though I wont be putting any more logs as people have things to say when they are not the ones in the acutal fight.  My pose was a good job to Roshun.

Yaliza

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10 hours ago, Celerity said:

Invokers are quite weak to rogues

This is not my experience - I never feel safer fighting a rogue than I do as an invoker.  Firestorm alone makes an incredible difference, as being effectively immune to murder/stealth significantly drops a rogue's dps potential.  Make that rogue a feral, and the invoker can stack two unblockable fire attacks a round, one of which has a good chance of exploding fairly often.  A single dispel landing after a missed fury will generally result in a dead feral.  This log was simply the invoker not having the initiative, not having missile shield, failing dispel, then living to fight another day - nothing wrong here at all.

22 minutes ago, Anonymous said:

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Why did you do this?

 

Because I saw he missed and when he can take 300 Hp in 2 rounds thats why I got out of there.  Perhaps you cant see where my HP is. PERHAPS YOU DIDNT SEE THE FIRST 2 ROUNDS

 

Dont worry though I wont be putting any more logs as people have things to say when they are not the ones in the acutal fight.  My pose was a good job to Roshun.

 

Yaliza

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My suggestion was simply: use an alternative form of sanction and flee instead. You won't end up dying?

Damage taken by round on the Invoker:

R1: 169

R2: 131

R3: 129

R4: 79

R5: 58

That is really not that bad. Once you put missile shield back up the damage became very manageable.

If it were not for fury the invoker would have easily out damaged the feral. It seems to me like fury can miss so the invoker just needs to dance around till fury fades and wait for the feral to miss one then open up on his butt with a can of magical whoopass.

I have faced warriors who could output 200+ damage a round consistently.

edit: also, why threaten to not post anymore logs because people commented? Isn't that the whole point of posting a log?

2 minutes ago, Manual Labour said:

Damage taken by round on the Invoker:

R1: 169

R2: 131

R3: 129

R4: 79

R5: 58

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And there you go folks.. move along, nothing to see here. The numbers don't lie.. Now, you over there, hand me those dice.

1 minute ago, sarcon said:

And there you go folks.. move along, nothing to see here. The numbers don't lie.. Now, you over there, hand me those dice.

At least what was said above is actual fact? Not conjecture. You yourself admitted in your first post that the invoker made major errors off the bat. 

Fact: Is fury a mages bane. Yes. Fury sucks. I've played a few mages. Fury... I absolutely LOATHE it. 

Fact: Were the absolute best tactics used in this fight?(running, sleeping, hit and run, tacking advantage of his lag) No. 

Fact: Did the invoker prepare properly? No.

Fact: Did the Feral over reach? Yes - if three call lightnings went through - Roshan would be bricking it. 

**Fact: Is any of this at all personal? No. We're just offering opinions. **

59 minutes ago, Ulmusdorn said:

 

At least what was said above is actual fact? Not conjecture. You yourself admitted in your first post that the invoker made major errors off the bat. 

Fact: Is fury a mages bane. Yes. Fury sucks. I've played a few mages. Fury... I absolutely LOATHE it. 

Fact: Were the absolute best tactics used in this fight?(running, sleeping, hit and run, tacking advantage of his lag) No. 

Fact: Did the invoker prepare properly? No.

Fact: Did the Feral over reach? Yes - if three call lightnings went through - Roshan would be bricking it. 

 

**Fact: Is any of this at all personal? No. We're just offering opinions. **

No, I agree. There was a lot of mistakes and many things could have been done to counter this. I have had Belderan take 245 in one round from me. So, this right here, is weak sauce. I was just having fun revving things up.

I think we will get ... is overpowered posts whenever someone really skilled in a combi plays it.

I haven't seen many successful ogre warriors since I retired Thulgan (maybe one or two at most?) and still we always get this combi is overpowered  complains when someopne plays it well. We've had dks are overpowered complains when we had people running around like Masokant or later on Tkanzhar. We had a LOT of very powerful mages and communers running around who were a terror. We still have at least one of those currently ;) 

Players need to stop thinking it is a combi when they have problems with a character that is very well played, planned and dressed.

A lot of advise was offered on various feral vs mage/communer threads. None of it was really accepted as viable. You will only improve your game if you accept advise that is well meant and offered from experience. Else even posting pk logs will not really help you.

I've fought and killed ferals (on melees, roughes, communers, I don't play mages much) I've also played some. I do not think ferals as a race are overpowered. They NEED fury to stand a chance against those classes that can easily eat up their hp. Esp. invoker fights can easily and very fast go both ways. Just don't do it last man standing - style as the invoker.

What we are looking at is the feral ninja combi. I am not personally convinced atm that it is overpowered, but we simply need more logs. Experience with a class and pk prowess also have to be considered here, or we come back to the start of my post.

There was nothing wrong with this fight.  Invoker had huge upper hand.   If you know an enemy is coming as an invoker don't lag yourself.   If you need to reapply spells, move to do so .  Your greatest strength as an invoker is casting speed.  You could have gotten off a call at the beginning possibly two unfuried.  At that point his first fury cut your output down a bit.  You should have double casted those first two rounds then four more after his miss.   The fleeing and not casting cost u.   Missing casts as an invoker is bad.   Once you learn to minimize people getting the jump you will be far better off.

20 minutes ago, Anume said:

I think we will get ... is overpowered posts whenever someone really skilled in a combi plays it.

I haven't seen many successful ogre warriors since I retired Thulgan (maybe one or two at most?) and still we always get this combi is overpowered  complains when someopne plays it well. We've had dks are overpowered complains when we had people running around like Masokant or later on Tkanzhar. We had a LOT of very powerful mages and communers running around who were a terror. We still have at least one of those currently ;) 

Players need to stop thinking it is a combi when they have problems with a character that is very well played, planned and dressed.

I play League of Legends now and then and I watch others play it quite often. I watch people who main certain champs and are VERY good with them. It's always super funny when one of those guys plays against people of lower tiers. You always get comments like "OP champs, fuck Yasuo/Riven, GG Rito broken champ". Only once I saw a video where one of the guys says, "Well I have Riven too, but I can't play her like that."

Ya, what he said, and she said.. and that one over there said.

14 minutes ago, f0xx said:

I play League of Legends now and then and I watch others play it quite often. I watch people who main certain champs and are VERY good with them. It's always super funny when one of those guys plays against people of lower tiers. You always get comments like "OP champs, fuck Yasuo/Riven, GG Rito broken champ". Only once I saw a video where one of the guys says, "Well I have Riven too, but I can't play her like that."

Lets say your playing a Feral warrior.  Then people are like Oh man its OP........Play and Avian Warrior and kick ass the same way.  Then its play style.

I have literally watched One player who I will not name Kill NEARLY EVERY PLAYER in the game.  Everything is fine right though?  I am not saying that one player is not good.  Yet can He kill every player in the game with all his other characters or just this one?

Anyone who plays something strong doesn't want to see it get nerfed.  Just the way people are.  THE END  Im not actually sure what the record is on the player I spoke about.  Yet if his record has been like that on all his other toons, then I will apologize to him personally.

Pretty sure when everyone was talking about Dwarf Bards.  Trick didn't like what people where saying.  Yet something was done.

I am watching Feral Ninjas get rolled and rolled and rolled.

Sidenote: someone asked us to deny his feral ranger a week ago, bc the combi was so weak.

The giggles.

And this one player you are talking about also killed everyone on a couple of other combis he played before.

Just now, Anume said:

Sidenote: someone asked us to deny his feral ranger a week ago, bc the combi was so weak.

The giggles.

Well thats ridiculous.

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Play a feral and get bashed to death in 4 rounds by a fire giant ;)

Just now, Anume said:

Play a feral and get bashed to death in 4 rounds by a fire giant ;)

Was he enlarged?  Did he have pets?

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Another sidenote: I bet you I'd do as well with the avian warrior as the feral one. They are both high dex warriors so you need to play those similariy, and completly different from high str warriors. The avian's vuln is much harder to access, so that makes up the ferals mini-auto-haste and his ability to fury.  I did also very well with dwarf, but that was a couple of years ago. Dwarf made #1 as best race for warriors back then lol. But then, we ALL sucked back then compared to the level of play there is now.

1 minute ago, Anonymous said:

Was he enlarged?  Did he have pets?

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What does it matter?  You have something to say when you weren't the one in the actual fight?

Good job to the fire giant warrior.