How old Is Abrahan?

[Celerity]

WC: Hehe, I understand the meaning of BC in terms of FL. When you have a translation from BC(in RL terms) to AD(RL terms again) there is almost always date loss/gain. Considering that FL uses the age/era system (like japan) the 'dates' are extremely irregular and it is hard to say that something from 2000 BC(or RL BC) will line up to 3000 years before 2000 PC(or AD). That is what I was trying to say.

Crypt: It makes a TON of difference, and the orbiting planets were one of my most minor points. ROM calendar/Viri calender...it doesn't matter. As you've pointed out, the dates are rounded off, and the days are a bit different. So, over the course of thousands(or hundreds, or tens) of years (and your math system once again has just shown how much time SHOULD have PASSED, which has little to do with the AGE of the planet..you can't just count back 774 years and say that is the beginning if you base it on PROGRESSION data..at best..you can only say 774 years have passed.) the rounded-off dates will have a huge effect on the actual date, in comparison to RL dates. This is ASSUMING everything thing else I brought up as potential issues are not actually issues (esp. standard time---which at this point I firmly believe they are). So, going on the LOOSE gregorian system, your date is very..well..loose. Even the Gregorians messed up their calendar, and I was bringing up the planetary orbit to showcase such irregularities as leap years. Saying that these points have no difference on the date system, or that progression equals age, is a LOT like saying a big flood made the grand canyon.

[Celerity]

Edit: Unless you were just trying to showcase how old the MUD was, which then didn't need the RL-->FL year conversion..so I assume you were trying to show how old the FL world was. Oops..double post.

[Chayesh]

My point is that right now, FL is in year 7xx something PC. There are references to things going back to 2000 BC. That's 2700 years of RECORDED history. It doesn't mean nothing existed before then. It doesn't mean there weren't people then. It just means no history is recorded before then. I'm sure there were people living in North America before the Euro's arrived, but I don't think we have a lot of ancient texts about it like we did after they started writing things done, right?

I would think this is more than enough framework to give some assemblance of structure while allowing MORE than enough room for anyone's RP to fit. Remember, you DON'T want everything spelled out because that then leaves no room for artistic license and individual creativity.

And if you still want to gripe, tell Crypt. I had nothing to do with it.

[Acerbity]

Haha. Way to throw the blame from you to Crypt, Chayesh

Seriously, though, I haven't put much thought into the whole how old Aabahran was. With Pominsu, I had Mathicus ask me if I was around during the blood letting (I was over 3,000 years old), and I said I was born around then. We got into some in-depth RP.

Knowing that the MUD itself is actually only 776 years old, is cool I guess. Though Chayesh just nailed it right on the head. Who says there had to be Scholars since the beginning of time?!

+1 point for Chayesh!

[Calron]

You seem to be approaching your argument in a more scientific approach. In reality, the dimension of time is not uniform in true planetary motion. The Gregorian calendar does not follow a real solar clock. The Earth travels much faster near the perhelion of its ellipsical motion, which is non-uniform, and considerably slower by the aphelion. Additionally, the Earth revolves faster by its perhelion (i.e. a difference in the length of days unaccounted for). This is illustrated in Kepler's Second Law of Planetary Motion, the Law of Areas. The Sun is a foci of the geometric ellipse which the Earth follows. Therefore, the radius vector is much shorter at one end than the other along the line of apsides.

Also, Kepler's Laws also show that any planet would follow the same type of path as the Earth. The number and size of moons around a planet don't relate to its orbit.

Ironically, Aabahran's representation of time (as having varying hours) is actually closer to "real" time. The main difference being that the variance is random, rather than derived from the Planet-Sun displacement vector.

[Ex-D&Der]

Well there was also a North America before people arrived. And an earth. And a universe. But Aabahran is a little different I think in terms of history before intelligent beings. I don't have the sense that there was that much time before then. Maybe a few thousand years (as opposed to 4 billion for the earth, and however many for the universe--hrm I don't know that, maybe one of you science people can fill me in).

As for the multiverse, I sort of feel like there was no progression of time before Aabahran, just chaos. I don't have the sense it was eternal, so it would have had a beginning, but I always sort of thought it was just a role-played version of Crypt's mind. So the age would correspond to the length of time Crypt's consciousness was chaotic until he began to think of Aabahran, or maybe a little longer. Aabahran time really only works on the planet Aabahran I think, so you really can't convert this to Aabahran time. It just means there was a finite existence of the nexus before Aabahran flashed into being.

But then the "multiverse" was renamed in the revision of the history that Virigoth did in 2.0, and corresponds probably to V-goth's conception of the game and its intersection with the original conception of it. (Although it seems to revise the original history and point out that the original formation of Aabahran was due to an intersection between these universes--i.e. the minds of Crypt and V-goth. But then historians revise all the time.) So the foregoing is really the age of the thing prior to the plane shift. You would have to add to that the number of years since then and you have the total age of the multiverse.

So the recorded history of Aabahran is a subset of the age of the planet. The age of the planet Aabahran is a subset of the age of the multiverse before the plane shift. And the latter is a subset of the age of the multiverse.

[Deykari]

Just play a Feral at 15% age at creation, and RP that you were born in a bush. Problem solved: you don't know a damn thing about Aabahran.

Dey

[Designated_Driver]

But then you could accuse someone of stealing your life story...

[Deykari]

Anyone hear about Bali's new stand-up comedy act? It's hilarious, I promise you.

[TheNewGuy]

he is just standing there, and that's the comedy, right?

edit: oh, forgot. for new players, this is what I refer to. http://www.carpemeridianus.net/flplayers/viewtopic.php?t=8

[Crypticant]

The problem I think you guys are having with date abstraction and "aging" is that you are looking for a fantasy "age gauge".

I gave you the "date according to ROM" -- the computer representation. I certainly don't think Aabahran is 774 years only - fantasy wise - that's just how much *actual* mud time has passed since we opened the doors.

Celerity, I wasn't implying that planets and moons had no impact on actual time. I was implying that those things have no effect on the computer system that keeps track of the time on the MUD. According to the system, each hour is 30 seconds (I shouldn't even say this, but it can be +/- a second or two depending on how loaded the server/main game loop is), each day is 24 hours long, each month is 30 days, and each year is 12 months -- Exactly.

If you want to take three dimensional space & time and apply it to a two dimensional mud world that exists within a computer to extract a relative age, by all means, go for it, but you are only going to end up frustrated (which I think is what has made this thread 9 pages so far). Real space and time is variable and dynamic, whereas computer space and time is quite static, comparitively.

And Chayesh, quit blaming me. Though perhaps you're right. I guess I should have created some history early on that said Aabahran was a trillion years old EXACTLY, so everyone just shut up about it.

[Chayesh]

Evilly LMAO

[sLiVeRwOrM]

you guys are such NERDS lol jk

I think he jsut wants to know how long FL has been around..

[F-3000]

I'd guess that the planet of Aabahran has been there for... let's say 4,6 billion years. *shrug*