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[Designated_Driver]

Does anyone else find this absolutely sickening?

http://www.nationalcollectorsmint.com/category_landing.jsp?path=-1&id=4688&promotion=web-wtc&ext=y

You can only wonder what these people are thinking. "What patriotic American citizen wouldn't want a reminder of the day that terrorists tried to shatter every American dream and belief."

[Zrothum]

It was more than just a day that ended in many American deaths. For alot of people, 9/11 was a day that caused the people of this country to unite together, in a way they haven't done in very long. However short lived it might seem to have been....the day isn't just about death and destruction for everyone.

[Warpnow]

No, its about death and destruction and the idea of stupid people uniting to make stupid decisions because of their blind rage.

Sorry, I just don't the way we "united" after 9/11 made us a better country, it just blinded us to the truth, causing us to make some horrible decisions.

I, too, saw the commercial and had absolutely no interest in the coin.

Edit: I suppose what I meant to say is that our own internal differences and disagreements are the foundation of a great country. When citizens becomes so demoralized or outraged that they are willing to go along with things they otherwise wouldn't, that isn't the good kind of unification.

[Iusedtobesomebody]

just a curious little question... and don't take it the wrong way... but i have felt the urge to know this information for just about the entire length of my return back.

how old are you warp?

[Warpnow]

Its in my profile.

[Zrothum]

And it explains alot.

9/11, today, does not only stand for a great loss. It was a uniting experience for this country that opened our eyes to alot of things.

[Ophiel X]

I suppose what I meant to say is that our own internal differences and disagreements are the foundation of a great country. When citizens becomes so demoralized or outraged that they are willing to go along with things they otherwise wouldn't' date=' that isn't the good kind of unification.[/quote']

This is the true American spirit shared by our founding fathers. I couldn't agree more and attacks on his age only prove YOUR own childishness.

[Zrothum]

I never disagreed with that the fact that our country was founded on a love for freedom, in all fashions.

What I do disagree with is saying that 9/11 served for nothing more than just a day of death.

I disagree that we were blinded with rage and that is now the excuse for all our actions over the past 5 years. It was long overdue, going into the Middle East and attempting to make a change. I'm all for the international community getting involved there and forcing the hand of change on several countries in that region. If America had to be the first country to take that step, so be it.

9/11 was a wake up call. Not a blindfold.

[Acerbity]

Wow. I agree with Zrothum here. And this thread really does bring out the democrat/republican in us.

[WarriorCleric]

The coin is tacky as all hell, well meaning or not, tacky. Just like those freaking car magnets.

This is the true American spirit shared by our founding fathers.

Yeah, that comment is really just a smoke screen tossed up by all sides to make whatever they say sound more patriotic and it sounds as tacky as that coin looks. And the idea that their is one correct American Spirit is just bull****. Melting pot come to mind? The spirit of America? My guess is that it's going to be like the bible, interpurted a million different ways, and everyone thinks they are right and that everyone else is wrong.

And besides, our founding fathers were pretty outraged, enough to dump some tea into a bay, oh and that little bit of revolution anyway... in what most consider a sort of unified way... which is something most people don't normally do, most generations don't do... which would be something our founding fathers were against? I'm so confused.

And since 9/11 people are more unified, and more patriotic, Warp just see's the bad and refuses or doesn't to see the good changes. And maybe it is due to his age like some people hint at, He is 16 now, so he was 11 in 2001 when 9/11 happened. How many of you, at age 11, had a firm enough understanding of patriotism and the ability to judge it in some way? Does this make Warp's opinion invalid? Hell no. 9/11 made a lot of people more patriotic, more politically aware, both left and right. Since 9/11 more people in my hometown are oriented towards the town and towards there neighbors. We now have Wednesday concerts all summer long and various 'enjoy the village' experiences, a whole horde of buisnesses opening up in the historic downtown by people of the community, and it's a since of pride that hasn't spurred any hate mongoring, any quest for 'conquest' or 'oil' in the neighboring towns(perhaps because our village is named Jordan... Oh crap, maybe we should be on the defensive ) Why didn't this happen 8 years ago? Same people here I've known all my life, same people who didn't do **** for most of my life, then bam! All of a sudden everyone is more caring about each other and the community. ****, the boysouts used to pick up trash, I remember doing that alot, walking around with trash bags, filling them up. Now the village folk carry them on their walks and pick up trash, boyscouts can't collect crap anymore.

The problem are extermists, muslim, christian, republican, democrate, whatever, I hate extermists. People so convinced that the other side is wrong that the don't see the whole picture, that everyone is pretty much the same and

that our own internal differences and disagreements are the foundation of a great country.

. (country, species, humanity, all interchangable as far as that notion goes)

The lucky thing for us is there are not that many extermists, the ****y thing for us is that the extremists are the ones who always have to run there ****ing mouths, and are the ones motivated above all else to get into a position of power so they can stear us towards there stupid, yet well meaning, goals.

Not calling Warp an extermist, he's just a little to far left for me. Not saying his points are invalid due to age, just saying he and I have a different perspective on how things changed.

When citizens becomes so demoralized or outraged that they are willing to go along with things they otherwise wouldn't' date=' that isn't the good kind of unification.[/quote']

I do not like the current administration, though I really don't have much to compare it to because I was not very politically minded, in the large scale, for previous ones, but I just feel like this one is trying to dupe me, trying to persuade me into a false sense of need, and trying to be a bit to controling. And I can not wait until this term is be up.

WC

[Warpnow]

"Patriotism" is not always a good thing. People should love their countries, they should not always support their actions. 9/11 created an enviroment which made people less questioning of the actions of their goverment, something I do not think helped our country. People felt they had to support the war in Iraq because of what happened on 9/11, even though the two things were not connected. The tragedy brought America to its knees and they looked to the goverment to make it right. They trusted their goverment and their goverment abused that trust by pursuing an unrelated matter and convincing us of their connection. By creating the illusion of eliminating a danger that never existed.

The ability to keep our goverment in check is one of the greatest sides of even a partial democracy in my opinion. We have to constantly disagree so that one extreme does not come up in total control, because no extreme, even the one I support, would do well to run our country. It is only by balancing those extremes and creating a happy medium that we are truly ruled by the voice of the people. We may not all agree, but that's part of it- none of us agrees about everything, which is a sign that democracy is working and our goverment is not serving only a small group.

When 9/11 happened, those conflicts and disagreements were silenced by an act of such terror and destruction that we were left without a voice to speak with. We were utterly devestated, which brought us together in relationship of trust with our fellow citizens.

While in this state of trust, we did not oppose that which needed to be. We did not voice our opinion against the many injustices being performed. Our trust...allowed terrible things to happen, because one extreme was in power, and the other was still silenced by the terror and horror. Both sides are responsible for the inbalance and neither should be held accountable, but let us not make the mistake of allowing it to happen again.

United by truth, we would stand strong, but United by fear and terror we are left weak with a false sense of truth.

[Ophiel X]

"...for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion." - Alexander Hamilton

[Zrothum]

I like quotes too!

"Suck my ----."

- Ron Jeremy

[J.Twendrist]

9/11 meant a lot of things to a lot of people. It is something that will forever change America, for good or bad. It reminds me a lot of Pearl Harbor actualy, which it too meant a lot of things to a lot of people. What I like to remember about 9/11 has nothing to do with patriotism, politics, or anything of the sort. What I remember is that many people actualy became people again. They cared for their neighbors, they gave blood in the masses, hell, the firefighters even went back in to the buildings to help people. It showed that people dont have to only be concerned with themselves, that they could do good things for one another with no expectancy of a reward and for a small ammount of time people were mostly united in a common goal; To help each other. Thats what I remember.

[Warpnow]

I agree that in a degree of humanity we grew and became more trusting and humanitarian and maybe even better people.

I also believe that growth and trust was abused by those in power.

[Crypticant]

Each 2001-2006 World Trade Center Commemorative comes with a Certificate of Authenticity verifying its 24 KT gold and .999 pure Ground Zero recovery silver content.

Why do I seriously doubt this? Am I to understand that there were dozens of ingots of pure silver just lying around inside the WTC, and that some group of independent idiots managed to recover it and stamp it into a coin?

On a side note, I find it somewhat bittersweet that the silver inlay is "removable". Why, so you can set it on the coin, then flick it down to relive the action packed events on 9/11 in miniature? Twisted.

Ah well. Capitalism. People will exploit anything in the world, sacred or not, just to make a buck.

[Ophiel X]

I like quotes too!

"Suck my ----."

- Ron Jeremy

way to go in proving you're more mature than the 16 year old you belittled.

[Zrothum]

I figured you'd like that.

[mya]

Haaa Americans....

[Warpnow]

Where ya from, Mya?