evil aligned

[Warpnow]

yeah, but I remember when my book was a bit more standard here. Where rp was an action, an initiative, rather than something you had to have in the back of your mind in case an imm busts you.

And Corpsestomp, your sitution with the silent treatment could be equally, if not better rp'd with emotes. Rp rudeness, a cold, icy glare, or merely emote that you avoid eye contact while collecting things from your corpse.

Not all forms of rp are deep or hidden inside the character. A well rounded rp character has both deep, emotional issues and light, more common ones. An attitude, a way of thinking, ect.

[Deykari]

I'm not denying that there are people who perhaps don't always have their "roleplay head" on. In the playerbase, there will be a scale, one end having those who absolutely love to roleplay, the other end the people who RP the minimum to get by. Remember, FL is a PK & RP MUD. If someone enjoys playing FL from mainly a PK standpoint, but doesn't enjoy roleplaying as much but roleplays a minimum amount to at least keep within the fantasy atmosphere we have here, should they be penalized?

We all have our own standards of roleplay that we adhere to, or expect others to adhere to. Your standards might be viewed as quite high by the playerbase. I view them as quite reasonable actually, however I can appreciate that many people find it hard to roleplay (I'm not a 'good' roleplayer now, but you should have seen me struggle in the first year or so of FL - I had to actually psyche myself up just to say something at the Central Commons out of fear of not knowing what the hell I was doing) or that many don't enjoy roleplaying as much as others. Remember, just because you enjoy roleplaying doesn't mean others enjoy it as much as you, and if they roleplay within the general standards of the MUD and not your standards, that's fine.

But, I think the problem most people have with your posts Warpnow, is that you seem to make it sound as if it is a huge problem with people wandering about silent killing all the time, with the entire pinn range in quiet mode whilst everyone else has aliased "emote" and "say" to "murder" to avoid any roleplay (I am exaggerating here). Sure there might be issues with a few players but it's hardly to the scale that you make it out to be.

Dey

[TheNewGuy]

There is a huge differance between this...

There are some good Rpers amongster evils, not many.

and this...

You have to admit that the majority of RPless pk comes from evils.

Your first statement was pure bullsh!t. Most people do RP. Then second, though, is true. The very, extremely few, who do not care for RP at all, will most likely choose to play an evil char. But they are NOT many. I can't say for sure I have even met one. Because I can't know. Can't judge only only what YOU see, if you don't see it ALL. Stop jugding others RP, leave that to the imms.

[corpsestomp]

Can't judge only only what YOU see' date=' if you don't see it ALL. Stop jugding others RP, leave that to the imms.[/quote']

Thank you for saying this. I hate the statement, so-and-so doesn't RP. Just because one player does not see one other player RPing doesn't mean they don't, or have bad RP.

If I stand in CC of Rheydin and for every 10 characters that walk by only one stops to emote or talk or whatever, then I could say that 90% of the pbase doesn't RP. Sometimes people are busy, sometimes they don't want to talk to your character. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not there.

Sometimes I wonder why people (in general) are so judgemental.

[Aulian]

My evil has been at 50 for like 200+ hours and I have yet to really 'kill' anyone. Sure the odd battle for something I wear now and then, but not actually hunted anyone down.. Im still evil.. arent i?

[Deykari]

No. A prerequisite for all evil characters is that you have to be active in PK.

Dey

[TheNewGuy]

You don't have to kill anyone to be evil.

[Deykari]

I really should have added sarcasm tags.

Dey

[TheNewGuy]

I saw the sarcasm. Your post wasn't there when I wrote mine.

[Warpnow]

Just because you don't see it' date=' doesn't mean it's not there.[/b']

If no one sees it, it basically isn't there.

[Iusedtobesomebody]

do blanket statements keep you warm?

[Chayesh]

If no one sees it' date=' it basically isn't there.[/quote']

Right...like air, for example?

[Warpnow]

That. There. Exactly what has changed about the mud.

Rp is there in the back of everyone's mind like air, but no one ever brings it up, talks about it and so long as they're not in trouble they don't even think about.

Sorry, I'm just not a fan of making RP like an invisible, tasteless, odorless element.

You're right, Rp is like air, undetectable until you need it for something like a qrace or an imm pops in, then the doctors roll in the O2

[Anume]

I think someone told you before but I'll repeat it anyway...

Just because noone likes your rp or likes to rp with you the way you want to, does in no way mean there is no rp out there.

And yes, you're not playing any more, right?

[TheNewGuy]

Warpnow. Just because YOU don't see it, doesn't mean NOBODY sees it. Be it only the player of the char himself who sees it, and we got someone who sees it. And if someone does see it, be it only the player of the char, then if MUST be there.

[Warpnow]

And I said it once and will again, it doesn't make any difference if its there, what makes a difference is whethr or not its seen.

That's like someone saying, "I put 20 bucks in a lock-box for you, but you can't get it, because its just for me to know I gave it to you."

[corpsestomp]

Just because YOU don't see it' date=' doesn't mean NOBODY sees it. [/quote']

You and I are on exactly the same page here.

To add, Warpnow, it almost seems like you want all character's RP cleared through you on character creation. Sometimes you have to initiate and work at RP for someone to open up. Also, I don't need reminders of how you did this and that on your characters, I've read your posts on it.

I know that you've worked at RPing with people, but maybe you're giving up too easily.

[Warpnow]

The responsibility to initiate RP should not be set on so few.

If everyon expects to have people dig for their rp, they should dig for other people's. Otherwise, we've got a bunch of buried treasure and no shovel.

[corpsestomp]

Teach with actions, not words.

With that, I'm done with this argument, before I say something that earns me a ban.

[TheNewGuy]

And I said it once and will again, it doesn't make any difference if its there, what makes a difference is whethr or not its seen.

That's like someone saying, "I put 20 bucks in a lock-box for you, but you can't get it, because its just for me to know I gave it to you."

Irrellevant. Not that I know how to spell that word in english

Sorry for repeating myself, but you don't seem to comprehend. Only beacause YOU don't see someone RP, it doesn't mean that NOBODY see said someone RP. So stop judging on what YOU see, since you have only seen a micro part of this chars life. And only because YOU don't understand someones RP, it doesn't mean that nobody does.

If someone seems to not care about RP, send a note to the imms. If said person don't, they will get many notes about him, and look into it. If said person doesn't care for RP, then the carnifex could give him a RP lesson, and maybe he starts enjoying it. But most likely you have just missunderstood someone's RP, which the imms will reallize when they look into things, and this person can go on RPing in a way you don't understand. Which is perfectly fine. At least for the rest of us, who know we are not all seeing.

[TheNewGuy]

Teach with actions, not words.

With that, I'm done with this argument, before I say something that earns me a ban.

I almost did

kidding, wasn't that bad, but I took it away anyway.

[Warpnow]

Actually, the response to reporting nonrpers is this:

Until [edit] breaks a rule, we cannot deny/ban him. Doing that would be counter to how we have been running FL. My personal suggestion for you is to throw the trash right back at him. Just be sure to stay well within the rules.

[TheNewGuy]

This is RP by definition (due to help file); Being a character.

And only because another character, or rather its player, doesn't understand a character, it doesn't mean the character is poorly RPed. It simply means the other player, or its character rather, hasn't gotten to know this character. And it is not your RIGHT to get to know a character. It might be against said character to get to know you, or to talk to you.

ROLEPLAY ROLEPLAYING RP

Roleplaying is not merely required here at The Forsaken Lands, it is enforced.

You are all expected to develop a personality for each of your characters and

act accordingly. Roleplaying is something that can only be bettered with a lot

of practice and here are but a few keywords that will aid you in defining your

character(s) personality:

Family: Was your character an only child? Did he/she have siblings? If so,

how many? What did your parents do? How did they act? Are they still living?

Early Childhood: What was your character's youth like? What did he/she do for

fun? Did he/she have many friends, or was he/she a loner?

Likes: What sort of things/activities does your character enjoy doing? Maybe

your character enjoys whittling wood, and is known to pull out a chunk of wood

and carve away. Perhaps your character enjoys nothing as much as a nice cigar.

It may be a hobby, a particular food, or even a group of people.

Dislikes: What sort of things does he/she dislike? Maybe he/she isn't fond of

onions, or maybe the smell of leather drives him/her to anger.

Long/Short Term Goals: What does your character want to accomplish in the near

future? This could be such things as being accepted into a particular clan or

cabal, or even defeating an enemy. What about in the long run? Does he/she

want to destroy every gnome in Aabahran, or save them all?

This is but a short list of examples. Expand a bit and your character will no

longer seem to be a string of numbers and letters, but a living and breathing

person all its own.

See Also: OOC, ALIGNMENT, ETHOS, RELIGION

[TheNewGuy]

Oh, and for that response from noting... If they refuse to RP, they do break a rule. So if the imms watch said nonrper a bit, they should be able to.

But I agree that was a strange response.

Edit: So strange I even doubt that was a real quote.

[Chayesh]

Once again, Warpnow, master of his own agenda and forum lurker without purpose must sew the seeds of propaganda to gain support for his viewpoint.

That was a response to a prayer of Warp's however he's not telling the whole story on the situation he reported. The person he reported was allegedly attacking ranking groups, full looting, and "stealing" mob kills. Warp allegedly attempted RP with him "on several characters" without success, and said player was thus deemed by Warp to be "Trash". He then requested we deny or ban said character/player.

The response given by another member of the IMM staff was as quoted, as full looting is certainly not against the rules, neither is attacking ranking groups, and while "stealing" kills is agreeably lame, it isn't illegal.

Hopefully this will dispel any distasteful rumors begun once again by Warpnow in an attempt to discredit the IMM staff and cast FL in a bad light since it doesn't resemble a large chat room where everyone must talk to him.