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Why get recruited? Not like there is going to war. I just want to see that test nuke fall on the rehab center Foiley is supposedly in! :D

Anyone reasonably familiar with history would not be so chipper about this. World War I was touched off by the assassination of one man. This has the potential to escalate things incredibly. (Not saying it WILL, merely that it has the potential and should be treated accordingly.)

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Well, nukes are serious biz. Remember how Iraq started? They didn't even have nukes, so yeaaaaaaa. And its not like the US is on great terms with China and Russia as it is. Along with the landgrabbing Russia is doing and China's newfound monetary success, theres alot of reasons why things could go south. I'd give it a pretty low chance though.

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I like being chipper! Anyone got a problem with that? :D

P.S. China is going to rule the world. It's army is the biggest in the world and it ain't going to stop at a billion.

P.S.S. Nukes can stop and start wars. Plus most countries know that if they even sneeze nuclear material at us, they better get set in for a major pounding,

US > any other nation

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I'd say this is good news, actually. One of the biggest reasons, in my opinion, why North Korea has been able to get away with this crap for so long was because of China. China benefited from being able to play the 'North Korea' card against the US in diplomacy, but now, the cost of it begins to outweigh the benefits. North Korea's finally crossed the line, IMO. Nobody wants their neighbors to have nukes, especially in an unstable region. Mexico and Canada, for example, are American allies and friends and democratic regimes, but how many of you wouldn't be more than a bit nervous if Canada or Mexico conducted nuclear tests and started stockpiling nukes?

China's probably more nervous and uncomfortable about the situation than the United States is, I bet. It's their corner of the world, their ballpark, that's being destabilized.

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This topic is immensely frustrating............................

First of all, Russia is losing land, not grabbing it. Second, the PRC has been trying very hard to LOWER the size of its army...it, and everyone else, realizes that a larger army is not best (or cheap).

DPRK has had nukes for a bit now already, so this public test is nothing new. The DPRK also has NO interest in fighting with DRK or the PRC, and that will likely never happen. The DRPK also has little interest in fighting the US. The DPRK is concerned mostly with survival and maintaining their way of life, which happens to be a sore spot for US eyes. DRPK lacks long-range ICBMS so it can't transport those nukes far. The people that should be worried, if anyone, would be the people living in Kyushu or Kansai region, Japan.

The PRC has also been angry with the DRPK for quite some time, but that is mostly due to US pressure, rather than any change in the DPRK's ideology. Especially since the 6 party talks started. DPRK said it would disband its nuclear program IF the US gave electrical energy to the DPRK instead. They never came to an agreement over pride issues (pride on BOTH sides).

The DRPK and the DRK would not exist today if the US would allow reintegration. Both the DRK and the DPRK have come to an agreement that they will unite, but it was blocked by the US. If the two Koreas unite, US loses sovereignty in DRK. This means that the US military can no longer order around DRK's president. The US was STRONGLY opposed to the DRK becoming democratic (from military government until the 90's), because they lost a lot of say in domestic social matters. Even today, the president of South Korea has to answer to the military command of the region. The US will ALWAYS oppose reintegration of the two Koreas for this reason. *This is a source of pride for Taiwan, which did not cede control to the US and has thus been able to run independently.

The development of nuclear weapons will almost certainly extend the DPRK's life, not cause WWIII.

I am FAR more worried about Israel (NOT Iran) having nukes than the DPRK.

On a side note,

I can respect soldiers in the world, but I cannot respect professional soldiers. In other words, I cannot respect any person that will accept money to kill people (or to support those killers). I understand there is a role for these people, and they do serve a purpose. This is just my opinion, and I already know it is unpopular, so you don't have to point that out to me.

This topic is absolutely HUGE and dangerous. If you want to talk about historical comparison, I have to ask you how many wars were started due to the testing of nuclear weapons? Political assassination is a completely different issue. Yes, wars can happen for almost any reason. However, as history has shown, having nuclear weapons DECREASES the chance for a war, not INCREASE it. Should that war ever break out though....

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This topic is immensely frustrating............................

First of all, Russia is losing land, not grabbing it. Second, the PRC has been trying very hard to LOWER the size of its army...it, and everyone else, realizes that a larger army is not best (or cheap).

DPRK has had nukes for a bit now already, so this public test is nothing new. The DPRK also has NO interest in fighting with DRK or the PRC, and that will likely never happen. The DRPK also has little interest in fighting the US. The DPRK is concerned mostly with survival and maintaining their way of life, which happens to be a sore spot for US eyes. DRPK lacks long-range ICBMS so it can't transport those nukes far. The people that should be worried, if anyone, would be the people living in Kyushu or Kansai region, Japan.

The PRC has also been angry with the DRPK for quite some time, but that is mostly due to US pressure, rather than any change in the DPRK's ideology. Especially since the 6 party talks started. DPRK said it would disband its nuclear program IF the US gave electrical energy to the DPRK instead. They never came to an agreement over pride issues (pride on BOTH sides).

The DRPK and the DRK would not exist today if the US would allow reintegration. Both the DRK and the DPRK have come to an agreement that they will unite, but it was blocked by the US. If the two Koreas unite, US loses sovereignty in DRK. This means that the US military can no longer order around DRK's president. The US was STRONGLY opposed to the DRK becoming democratic (from military government until the 90's), because they lost a lot of say in domestic social matters. Even today, the president of South Korea has to answer to the military command of the region. The US will ALWAYS oppose reintegration of the two Koreas for this reason. *This is a source of pride for Taiwan, which did not cede control to the US and has thus been able to run independently.

The development of nuclear weapons will almost certainly extend the DPRK's life, not cause WWIII.

I am FAR more worried about Israel (NOT Iran) having nukes than the DPRK.

On a side note,

I can respect soldiers in the world, but I cannot respect professional soldiers. In other words, I cannot respect any person that will accept money to kill people (or to support those killers). I understand there is a role for these people, and they do serve a purpose. This is just my opinion, and I already know it is unpopular, so you don't have to point that out to me.

This topic is absolutely HUGE and dangerous. If you want to talk about historical comparison, I have to ask you how many wars were started due to the testing of nuclear weapons? Political assassination is a completely different issue. Yes, wars can happen for almost any reason. However, as history has shown, having nuclear weapons DECREASES the chance for a war, not INCREASE it. Should that war ever break out though....

im lolin that you are saying that russia isn't in full landgrab mode right now, I'll find a link on that in a second. And since when has NK had nukes? Any sources on that or are you in on some top secret intel that noone else has? And the whole Nukes stopping war thing, that would be if the country actually had a reliable way to deploy these nukes. The fact that NK has them is not only dangerous because they are likely to use them, they are also dastardly enough that they could or would sell the technology/bombs to a rogue state/group. And yes, the whole middle-eastern cluster**** is alot more explosive than this crap, but it is still important. Im not 100% supportive of Isreal for a reason or two, but I think its lame if we back out on them since we've been their number 1 supporter for as long as we have.

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Strange is this this a mud thing ? I also been trying to join the army. All the adrenaline from PK couples with other stuff made me think if i would not love being in the army. Of couse on my countries army ona has close to zero chance of seeing action, witch is a good thing. Has oposed to US army.

But my father kinda cut my legs by finding a job for me. One witch i hate, but cant quit because its my father name on the line, my professional reputation, and i dont wish to become homeless. :eek:

But seriously, what can be better that being in an army.

Fresh air, good working conditions, exelent company. Great pay. No job instability. Early retiarement. And almost zero danger.

Unless you talking about US army, or a war breaks outs.

But even then in times of war for some of you its better to be well placed inside the army than in forced conscription...

And you can always defect ... :cool:

"I can respect soldiers in the world, but I cannot respect professional soldiers."

You should say some countries professional soldiers.

I can tell you that some countries use thier pro soldiers in peace missions, like East Timor and KOSOVO FORCE, AFganistan, etc. All under UN mandates.

Now if you go look at Russia and US (etc) profissional soldiers, those are the ones using troops to impose their will. Little democratic countries normaly lend their troops to help/aid missions.

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Err...a part of Georgia wants to LEAVE Russian control..Russia isn't trying to grab it, just hold on to it. Russia isn't acquiring new lands..it is slowly losing what it has.

Like the article said, Russia is pulling OUT of Georgia, not going IN.

Mya: good point!

elf:

"And since when has NK had nukes? Any sources on that or are you in on some top secret intel that noone else has" They've been telling us they have them for a LONG time.

Giving the nukes to rogue nations? What rogue nations? Why? What do they possibly have to gain (esp. when they have EVERYTHING to lose by doing that)? Can those 'rogue nations' deploy the weapons? Where did you read about this?

CNN, NBC, ABC, and other alphabet American news agencies are not the best source of info on highly political topics.

Side note: Everyone has the TECHNOLOGY for nuclear weapons..you can look it up easily on the internet.

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Haha wtf, its one thing to have the tech to build the nukes, its another to actually have one. And please don't insinuate that im parroting major news sources, I could find all of my sources on BBC or whatever else you'd like. And goergia is not a part of russia, its a offshoot nation that they are trying to bring back under their blanket of control.

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