Guest emp_newb Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Beyond the limits of mortal vision, lay planes of energies that defy explanation. It is rumored that these are the planes of the Immortals, or the borders of worlds other than our own, but only a select few know for sure. Steeped in long-forgotten knowledge, the ranks of MYSTERUM see beyond, immersing their minds in these energies and learning from them. The contact with these powers take their toll, however, and often, these sages show evidence of delving too deep. Eccentric and unpredictable, MYSTERUM are the eyes and ears of SAVANT, casting their gaze beyond, in efforts to garner what will aid their quest to bring knowledge to the masses Inzli says 'I am mad at the world, blame the Ninja whom assissinated me.' Inzli says 'Many weill pay!' F-Ele (Fire )] [MYSTERUM Acolyte(V)][Male] Inzli the Will of Gods Oh look, yet another person that wands to abuse a combo and breech any semblance of rp because they do not feel like sticking to the rp their cabal dictates. MYSTERUM are the eyes and ears of SAVANT so this one decides to kill anything in pk cause he is angry? Sorry guys, we are turning into AR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Roll with the punches. Nothing says a Mysterum can go nuts on the world. (I'm not completely disagreeing with you btw....alot of people throw RP out the window in trade for an awesome PK combo *cough*elf_bmage_sigils*cough* ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
random_clown Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 A character is not just a static picture of his cabal description. Sometimes your character may be desperate, or in a fury. Emotions can affect actions. Granted, some reasons are less creative or driven than others, but that does not make them inapplicable. Characters are dynamic, and sometimes may need to act out. After all, to quote the very passage you mentioned, "Eccentric and unpredictable, MYSTERUM are the eyes and ears of SAVANT..." I do not mean to say that any and all actions should be excused, but if there is truely no reason and it is simple poor behavior and/or "trash killing," I would speak with those in charge of that character directly. Reporting and spreading that kind of behavior through in game channels does wonders for reputation. While you may think that your statements on his actions go unnoticed, be sure that even if you do not hear his lectures, he may very well receive them. Theres always someone to answer to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 well If people played this for pk, it would be a godwars. If he wants to pk the world, cool, run it. Just do not pick a cabal geared towards higher learning and supreme knowledge. The fact is, they picked a strong combo and used a sub cabal opposite their rp because it suited their PKing better. Thats it. Maybe had he rped a bit about the kill it would have been ok. But he tossed out two weak sentences to try to provide for it and ran off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fear, the Angel's Name Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 "Eccentric and unpredictable" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corpsestomp Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 This is very obviously a flame... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Flame or not, its me pointing out the stuff that is going on, you know if my savants would have pulled that with anithraril on, I would have been an inductee again, or booted. This type of scenario is the same reason I took an FL vacation a while back. I just get tired of seeing the same thing play out all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinicky Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 This is very obviously a flame... Hose it down! W00t! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruelEdict Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Or just pour...like...kitty litter on it or something. Doesn't that work? Or is that for vomit only? Hose it down! W00t! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinicky Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Lets keep in mind that this is an RP/PK mud. Everyone tries to balance the two to some extent, but many lean much more towards PK and use RP to justify it, and others lean far more to RP and use PK to supplement it. People are also at different skill levels wit these - a number of people out there can't PK worth crap, but they can RP like a mad hatter. And vice versa. Instead of flaming, maybe talk with the character and try to teach and develop where they are weak. In this case, RP (maybe... there also may have been more behind his reasoning than what was shown. I don;t always dump all my RP after a kill.) That would be done by taking the initiative and engaging HIM in the conversation, and drawing it out. Then we wind up with a stronger RPer, and a happier you. And isn't that what it's all about? (besides the hokey pokey, of course. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corpsestomp Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 It is a flame, and we should just let the IMMs take care of this kind of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Not always the best course of action just to label something a flame and throw it away. Posts with bias, opinion, and emotion aren't always flames. The only thing wrong here was posting the guys name and singling him out. Which isn't really the point here, I don't think....he was just used as an example to make the point.....which is something that will just have to be dealt with. I would call 95% of you a liar if you said you never once made a character combo because of the PK power behind the class/race/combo choice. More than half of my chars are that way. "Damn, I think a drow bmage savant would totally rock out with the way things are at 50 right now. I wonder what a cool RP would be for one...." roll bmage rank bmage start trying to develop an RP I think that's how 95% of the characters made in this game are done. And I frankly don't have a problem with that. It's when characters blatantly don't have an RP at all in their life without an attempt to be anything other than just a run of the mill type person....but yet are in a cabal, like they really deserved it for anything other than surviving at 50, doing quests,and contributing to the clan channel. Most are just cookie cutter drow bmages or cookie cutter fire clerics and just TRY to pk everyone and leave bad tastes in everybody's mouths, without a care in the world to actual character enhancement. The quiet killer type is way over played and is just used as an excuse now to do what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corpsestomp Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 I know you say that's how most characters are made, and it used to be true for me as well. But I think I've matured quite a bit from that. Now I try to think of interesting RPs, then find a race/class that will fit it best. And I called it a flame because emp_newb specifically used one character's name, he basically called Inzli out on his RP, which I think is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iyorvin Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 I won't read the rest of the peanut gallary, but will say.......who picks mysterum as a sub-cabal to abuse powers for PK advantage? LMAO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fear, the Angel's Name Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 My current character I created for no reason at all, with no roleplay to him whatsoever in my head. Within an hour or less I had a full story to him fleshed out while I was still level 5 or so. It's not that hard to think of a great RP, the hard part is applying it, and not relenting from the RP just because of a PK aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 I know you say that's how most characters are made, and it used to be true for me as well. But I think I've matured quite a bit from that. Now I try to think of interesting RPs, then find a race/class that will fit it best. And I called it a flame because emp_newb specifically used one character's name, he basically called Inzli out on his RP, which I think is ridiculous. I don't think his beef is with Inzli in particular. Just the whole thing in general. He shouldn't have made an example out of him directly, but I don't think he's here to flame Inzli. Just my .02 I'm no Immortal, so my opinion doesn't mean diddley. In fact, gimme my .02 back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corpsestomp Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 We're on the same page, Zrothum, he could have whined about RP all he wanted, but I seriously disagree with calling out character names in a rant like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iyorvin Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 It's ok.......it's just a newb voicing his newb oppinion. Only prob he is the Emporor newb and his oppinion means that much less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 well If people played this for pk' date=' it would be a godwars. If he wants to pk the world, cool, run it. [b']Just do not pick a cabal geared towards higher learning and supreme knowledge. The fact is, they picked a strong combo and used a sub cabal opposite their rp because it suited their PKing better. Thats it. Maybe had he rped a bit about the kill it would have been ok. But he tossed out two weak sentences to try to provide for it and ran off. This is where I disagree. Did you not consider that Cabals can be a means to an end, regardless of each cabal's roleplay? Here are a few films which were evidently, all inspired by Mysterum cabal RP: Armageddon "I remember the time when Deykari, that super-cool, great looking, amazingly sexy ninja who happens to be a brilliant PKer, assassinated me. I'm angry and I want to show the world I mean business." "Well, I could be a Knight, but they're all pansies. I could join with Nexus, but they love to sleep with Demons. Warmaster? Mmmm, a little primitive and mundane. Syndicate? I don't want to join the Mafia, I want to rule the world. Tribunal? I don't want to be bound by any laws. Savant? Oooh. Savant. I will immerse my mind into the planes of the unknown, and study. There is a great power that I respect in these planes, and it is there for the taking. What use is power without practical use however? I will use these powers for my own nefarious deeds! MUHAHAHAHA! THE END OF THE WORLD IS NIGH!!" V for Vendetta "I remember the time when Deykari, that super-handsome, ridiculously charming little fox told me about November 5th. And it all makes sense now. I'm sick of these Tribunals corrupting our country. They rule us with an iron fist and there is nothing we can do. I have found a secret society, "Savant". From there, I will be enlightened to a level that only the elite citizens know, and use this power to finally destroy parliament! IT IS THE ONLY WAY!" Team America : World Police "I remember the time when Deykari, that insanely courageous fellow, dedicated his life to good deeds. A lone soldier (on puppet-strings), saving lives and destroying terrorists with nothing but four carrots, a four-poster bed and a pack of mints. Now, I may not have the super-huge muscular physique that Deykari has, but I have a brain. How could I use that to help? I could tap into the planes of magic, and use these powers to keep the world a safer place!" Beauty and the Beast "Damnit...Deykari is so handsome, he always gets the ladies. I'm just an ugly little man, and I don't know how I can impress my love. Maybe if I learn some cool magic tricks, I can impress her!" And the list goes on. What makes the roleplay of a character up is not just the Cabal's RP. It is a combination of their own roleplay (which is generally[not always] a combination of their race's stereotypical roleplay plus any other bits and bobs) and the Cabal's roleplay, plus any external factors. That is why you can have five people within one Cabal, that all have very different goals, all have very different wants. Knight want to destroy evil and see the Crown King in place - why? Savant/Mysterum, dedicated to higher learning, and knowledge - why? Some may want this knowledge for the sake of learning. Some may want it, to IG-ly and in RP, abuse said knowledge and power. The list is endless. EDIT: And just to add, FL is just as much PK as it is RP. If not, moreso PK than RP because of the fact that you're never safe from PK. RP is all well and good but because of it's PK atmosphere you need to remember that it's not always fun to throw PK out of the window and go RP. Sure, it's great to see people doing that, but it annoys me when people say that rolling powerhouses is a bad thing: IT IS POSSIBLE TO ROLL A POWERHOUSE AND STILL HAVE EXCELLENT ROLEPLAY BACKING YOU UP! JUST BECAUSE THE MUD IS ROLEPLAY ENFORCED, DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE SHOULD PUT PK ON THE BACKBURNER, BECAUSE FL IS JUST AS MUCH PK ENFORCED AS IT IS RP ENFORCED! Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb5679 Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Didn't get far enough to the end to stop my thought. I concur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Emp, shut up before you get banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexi Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 What makes this game deteriorate is not people looking for "roleplaying excuses so they can kill players", it is people who judge other people's roleplaying, trying to dictate what is right and what is wrong, when the other people does not live up to their standards and expectations. That is just... lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-A Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 As much as you don't want to hear it - he's not a healer so he's well within his right to go out and PK if he wants to. Not to mention he is evil (Savant or not....).... I think your biggest problem is: 1) Its a turd of a combo to fight against (worse if you're a melee). 2) You're obviously too incompetent to run away and went down faster than Paris Hilton on a Friday night. Time to learn how to PK better. L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 2) You're obviously too incompetent to run away and went down faster than Paris Hilton on a Friday night. :D I do think what Melinda said, is pretty true actually. I didn't think of it like that. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raargant Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Emp' date=' shut up before you get banned.[/quote'] Too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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