tassinvegeta Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 What exactly is wrong with Monks? Do they have more problems offensively/defensively? Or is it too difficult being in the right stance at the time with all the empowering/meditating/chii bolt stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Monks are fine, the problem is mastering the anatomies and getting caught in the wrong stance/empowerment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chayesh Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Monks are fine' date=' the problem is mastering the anatomies and getting caught in the wrong stance/empowerment.[/quote'] Nice and subtle, Mya... TRANSLATION: The class is fine. You suck at playing it. Classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorCleric Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Well, I find crane stance is a great all purpose stance. For monks I believe a strong offense is the best defenese kinda thing. Defensive stance is more for tanking. When in defensive, it's really freaking hard to get the kill in pk, but so long as you've got mana and balance, I don't see and an excuse to die unless the other guy is really freaking good, or you're just really bad. But thats just how I see it. WC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Try fighting a shaman in defensive. That is i gave up my monk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 I agree with WC. Monks should never PK in defensive. Well, a prepared, EQ'd monk should never fight in defensive. There is an offensive stance for EVERY class. Crane for communers. Tiger for rogues. Dragon for warriors. Defensive if you are hunting and tanking. Defensive if you are naked and trying to take care of some stuff without that giant bashing your head in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted October 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 I never liked the 'they are fine as is statement.' Not to sound rude but It really tells me nothing and just shows a lack of knowledge, and I'm not new to fl or to any of the classes, so I do have a bit of understanding already. But I'd like expert advice as to why people say they are unable to compete with top contenders and as well as blademasters from what I hear. Aside from the training and being in every stance at the right time, I don't see why they are considered at a disadvantage unless you're unavatared or the correct stances and eq you have will never be able to beat competent oppoents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted October 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Try fighting a shaman in defensive. That is i gave up my monk. Why would you fight a shaman in defensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted October 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 I agree with WC. Monks should never PK in defensive. Well, a prepared, EQ'd monk should never fight in defensive. There is an offensive stance for EVERY class. Crane for communers. Tiger for rogues. Dragon for warriors. Defensive if you are hunting and tanking. Defensive if you are naked and trying to take care of some stuff without that giant bashing your head in. Well I never thought I'd be saying this to you Zrothum, but thanks for the information, it helps alot. Though I don't understand why the tiger stance for rogues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bl3h Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Buddha stance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Because: A monk in decent gear will get whomped by cabaled clerics and bmages. A monk in decent gear will get ravaged by Ogres and Fires that are decked and in cabals. A monk in decent gear will not stand up to the majority of competition @ 50 A monks "Decent" gear is actually pretty hard to get, compared to a warrior. A warrior can get "Decked" by himself for the most part and has unlimited options. Basically, there has only been ONE monk since 1.0 to own. That was Tylith and he was an avatar. Not saying he wasn't mean before avatar, but it didn't hurt him by any means. And the player behind him is well above average and he was cabaled. An uncabaled monk in average or mediocre hands will have little chance against a cleric, a bmage, a decked warrior/ranger, Invokers....almost everyone. It's a very complex class with way too many variables to master in one or two tries for most people. So many chances to choose from. To use chii/no chii. Getting screwed by your beads, etc. etc. etc. Monks are not okay as they are. However, neither are they as bad as most people make them out to be. They could use a look at, in my opinion, but it won't help too much for the people who are not good with them already, because it is a hard class to understand and play well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Well I never thought I'd be saying this to you Zrothum' date=' but thanks for the information, it helps alot. Though I don't understand why the tiger stance for rogues?[/quote'] A rogue will not outdamage a trained, armored monk. Rogues generally do not have super hp, so those twin tigers with that mastered anatomy should quickly take them down. A general rule of thumb when fighting rogues is damage. You want to put it on quick, fast, and in a hurry. Well, why not tiger for communers? Tigers isn't too bad against communers, but crane has some nice affects that help a bit more vs them. Plus, communers are well known for their awesome shield blocking, and crane gives you more chance to hit them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Why would you fight a shaman in defensive? Because some people think buddha will pwn invokers and shamans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questioner Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Simple and to the point:Try being ready in the right stance against two different enemies of opposing cabals or religion/ethos. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Little unknown fact about monks: You don't have to let empowerment run all the way out before you can switch. I think it's after four or six hours, you can re-empower. So... You're in crane when Mr. Cleric logs off. Here comes badass warrior. Empower defense attack something empower offense again...fresh empowerment/stance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted October 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Well now that was close. And to think I almost rolled up a monk warmaster. -phew- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 The chance of a monk killing Suunmar is so astronomically high that I can't count it out for you. His traven zombie will stop him from being trip locked, even if he is air thrashed. Combined with savant skills and minister....it's not gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bl3h Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Don't you mean astronomically low? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Yeah, I noticed that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Nope, I meant high. Cause............the second number is very high. 1 in...a very high number.....yeah....thats what i meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 I was training horse stance, so i got it bad. I think a dirt -> shield disarm should take care of clerics. Add airtrash trip and why should you fear clerics ? Clerics bane is SHIELD DISARM. Yes disarming a shield is extremely hard. But a monk is the best class to do it. Just dont gimp saves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iusedtobesomebody Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 A rogue will not outdamage a trained' date=' armored monk.[/quote'] yes they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 monkey (IF ANATOMY IS 100%) eats any caster class alive. I have watched a monk chakera every round with monkey in pkill...but 100% anatomy is required. Chakera = stun, invokers cant handle that kind of damage, and chii bolts make it possible to shut down bmages. crane for communers because certain types of blows make them miss like fury does. rogue out damaging a monk, if the monk is 100% anatomy i dont think so. Unless the rogue is pretty decked, in a melee they will be lucky to really hurt the monk. a Rogues advantage comes with hide/blackjack/strangle/traps and poisons. training a monk takes ultimate patience, and i dont think many have taken the time to master the anatomies as they should. From talking to monks in game i have found that most are not as trained as you would think..and this is their downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iusedtobesomebody Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 i've taken out monks with thieves at 50. BUT, i was cabaled, qraced and decked to the nines... so mathematically, it's possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 i geuss the term "on even ground" should be applied...of course a cabaled, qraced, decked *insert class* should whoop a non cabaled, qraced, decked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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