Challenges

[J.Twendrist]

Does winning challenges go on ones pk record?

[corpsestomp]

I would say no...

[Raargant]

It does if you finish them afterwards. In addition, if you are a Warmaster, challenges won can be seen by typing record .

[Celerity]

Same goes for mercy (except no WM record).

It does NOT count as a pk unless you kill/slay them.

Having said that, pk count isn't worth much being that only IMMs can see it. Mercy or killing has the same result of you winning...just record the win on your own little notepad list.

[Grishnak]

Unless you're an evil cleric...

[Chayesh]

Challenges ended without death do not count as PKs. Neither do Tribunal captures.

[HBwillie]

Is there any way a player can request his PK record?

[Anume]

You can ask on the prayer forum, if the pfile still exists we MIGHT give you an appropriate number if we think you deserve knowing

[mya]

Who cares if it does not stores that magic number.

You know that you mercied them. You won.

Killing them just to pad the PK record to look good, is just... evil.

[Dale]

I ray of truth used to do mauls to Martineus, with no sanc.

[Raargant]

What does that have to do with this thread?

[English lad]

I would say its a comment on how Captures don't affect Kill Score, as Ray is affected by that I believe.

[Pali]

Who cares if it does not stores that magic number.

You know that you mercied them. You won.

Killing them just to pad the PK record to look good, is just... evil.

Yeah, but it lets you loot them. ^_~

[mya]

You guys value to mutch eq.

With skill you can cover the equipment barrier.

Of course if they have the same skill as you, you are tost. But EQ has a limit, none on skill.

[Dale]

I would say its a comment on how Captures don't affect Kill Score' date=' as Ray is affected by that I believe.[/quote']

Sprry I wasn't more obvious with it.

[Zrothum]

You guys value to mutch eq.

With skill you can cover the equipment barrier.

Of course if they have the same skill as you, you are tost. But EQ has a limit, none on skill.

-shrug-

The variation between skill and eq has much to do with the class of the characters.

A warrior without eq and alot of skill, has very little chance to kill a cleric who isn't as skilled.

[Marc]

I second that, there was the one time I managed to kill a storm warrior who had gear stuff with an evil cleric when I had basic equipment. (however it was close)

[corpsestomp]

communer > melee, all the time.

[Zrothum]

Nah. I've seen plenty of warriors take out shamans and clerics. I've been on both ends.

It comes down to EQ and a little luck, on the melee side.

It comes down to skill/experience on the communer side

[Pali]

Re Mya: You obviously haven't read all the threads where I've said that very same thing. ^_~ However, if I can improve my char's eq while remaining perfectly consistent with his RP, I'm going to do it. EQ is not the end-all of PK, but it doesn't hurt to have it.

Re Zrothum: It comes very much down to skill for the melee. Weapon selection, preparation, and effective in-battle tactics are very much required for a melee to take down a communer. Knowing how many mals you can let them land, knowing at what point you have to disengage for several ticks to heal if the battle's not going very much your way, all of this is what allows you to successfully battle communers as a melee. (This is all said off of my experiences as an ogre warrior who killed 5 out of 6 shamans that he fought at 50, and neither him nor the 6th shaman died in that battle.)

[Zrothum]

All the skill in the world with a crappily dressed warrior won't let you take down an average communer.

With a melee, you have to have it all. Skill and eq. One or the other isn't going to save you.

Communers, on the other hand......

[corpsestomp]

With even a mildly skilled communer, the only melee class that should ever kill you is a monk. Bolt + chakeras + thrash/trip is pretty much the only way...

You might say berserker, but if that haymaker lands, you should be gone right away, enough time to put up prot shield or sanc or whatever.

[Pali]

Yet I've used an ogre warrior dressed in mithril, teeth necklaces, onyx rings, and a couple rare (yet easily enough obtained) weapons to down a well-dressed shaman (Yes, he was flying, yes, he had prot shield, yes, he had sanc, no, I didn't kill him by lucky timing from one of those falling). You can be wrong and say that it was because he was playing badly, or you can be right and say it had more to do with my weapon choice, the number of gyvels/vials I had, my picking the location of battle (Rheydin and directly surrounding areas so I had access to plague/poison curing), and my chasing really, really fast.

I do not deny the importance of EQ, particularly for melees. But communers, to be very effective, require good eq as well. All that +hp/ac/saves eq is what makes them strong. If they've got no hp-boosting eq, they're not going to be able to sit in a fight against a warrior dualing weapons they dont' know for 10 rounds at a time trying to land stuff. If they've got no saves, any other mage/communer will roll over them. EQ is important for everybody, somewhat moreso for melees, but this is balanced by them being able to get eq faster and easier.

[Pali]

With even a mildly skilled communer, the only melee class that should ever kill you is a monk. Bolt + chakeras + thrash/trip is pretty much the only way...

You might say berserker, but if that haymaker lands, you should be gone right away, enough time to put up prot shield or sanc or whatever.

And yet right at the top of the PK logs we have a communer, Suunmar, who I doubt anybody would call less than mildly skilled, being killed by a melee. A communer who is working with his mind set purely in a defensive way should not ever die to a melee, this I will agree with you completely on. A communer who's actually trying to kill his target, though, runs the risk of being outfought and dying in the process.

[Zrothum]

Blademasters do not count in this argument, as their abilities are somewhat out of the box.

And if you killed a decked shaman with ANY skill while you wore only mithril and easily obtained rare weapons.....then something was wrong.