Personal note

[Polk]

On a sort of personal note, I would like to know kind of what most of you are doing to get into cabals so quickly. I mean, I don't spend 24 hours a day playing, or write notes to the Imm's, and I don't know any of the Imm's personaly, so I don't email or IM them, like perhaps some of you do. But with at least three of my last characters I had spent many hours of play, at least as much as I could, rped my char, pked with my char, and won a few yes, surprisingly, talk to alot of characters already within the cabals/clans, and even went out of my way to aid alot of them. But not once has an Imm/leader (which the leaders were Imm's ofcourse) of either of those cabals ever spoken to me, interacted with me, or offered me the opportunity to join the selected clan/cabal I chose. I had even gotten Trusted within my clan hall, I guess from doing all the quest I possibly could, not certain how that works or anything. The only Imm that ever spoke or interacted with me was Eshaine, and that was a long time ago with another char, not one of these. Other than Imm's Messalantha is the only other person that talked to her people within the clan. I had been a veteran in one of the clans long before some of the elders of the cabal had even gotten into the actual clan, and still didn't recieve the opportunity to join, as well as had another of my guild rank up, join the clan, and then get into the cabal, while I sat within the clan halls doing whatever I could just to have the shot at getting in. He ranked, joined the clan, and got into the cabal within a period of about 2 weeks, I had been a member of that clan for at least 3 months. I don't know if this is venting or just asking everyone's oppinion, but a few other thoughts wouldn't hurt..... I mean it sucks to watch others come in, join up, and go on to be in the cabal, while you sit and wait longer and longer, never to even get a chance.

I have been on my trusted char when an Imm of both of those cabals had gotten on, and was the only one on in the clan/cabal at alot of those times that he/she signed on. Talk about your unopportune times?

[Acerbity]

Several of my last cabal characters have not even done any clan quests. Simply impressed the cabal imm, or the Leader of the clan/cabal. I don't know why, but I tend to just forget the clan quests (unless there's nothing else to do) and go on to doing what the actual cabal'd person would do: ie. fight enemy cabal, kill evils/goods depending on alignment, and RP my *** off with them. It works most of the time. All of my characters so far, give or take 3 or 4, have been cabal'd, and most of them haven't even went through the hell of clan quests. They're not the of all end all, either. But they may help in some circumstances. Sorry you're having such bad luck. All I can say is stick to it.

Also: I really doubt the imms EMAIL/PM players to see if they should be in a cabal or not/ask. I'm sure many do, actually, send notes to imms boosting their ego and giving ideas as to why they would be the next best candidate of the cabal

[WagesofSin]

Cabalers are supposed to be the elite of the lands. It's not about just clan quests. You have to be excellent in PK, or at least show that you are learning and making progress. If you suck at the beggining but show complete dedication and show that your skills are improving, as well as solid, interesting RP you will get in.

[Wathok]

I can't respond to such general information. If you want an Imm answer, post the specifics in the prayer forum.

[Calron]

That may work for you Acerbity because you have at least a modicum of PK ability. Now I'm not saying you aren't worth anything in your PK Polk, because I fought your last cleric and you weren't too bad at all, especially on your feet (which at the elite level will be the most important thing, all the elite players know what to do in PK, its just a matter of who is faster). But by your own evaluation you don't consider yourself an extremely experienced PKer, so that being said, I would strongly recommend doing clan quests.

With almost all of my caballed E/L I have always told my clan/prospective members that I look for dedication, because experience will come if you stick with it. It doesn't impress me in the least when someone who can PK runs around killing cabal enemies, etc, and then gets amazingly pissed off when they die. Usually either because of the loss of equipment, or they can't get over their own ego about dying. They will just end up deleting after a few deaths, and believe me it happens often.

What pains me the most is when someone less experienced gets into a cabal and eventually gets frustrated and deletes either over one specific instance they think was 'crap', 'trashy', or 'stupid' or just by getting fed up with dying in general, or not succeeding. Cabals aren't all about getting inducted and rolling over everyone else; therefore, I don't understand the logic of deleting. You will make your next char, get inducted and be in the same exact place. Instead why not just use the first character to learn, rather than expecting so much of yourself at first.

Anyways, I think the point I was making (not sure anymore ) is that clan quests will show that you are somewhat dedicated, to supplement your PKing.

To sum it up, here is my advice for you:

1) Do clan quests whenever possible, this is even more important than trying to kill all the cabals enemies in my opinion.

2) Be polite, say hello, try to evoke some interaction between yourself and other members (unless it is in contrast with your RP)

3) Lastly, try to show up regularly. A lot of people can't put in as much time as others, but unfortunately, this deficit of RL does have an impact in game. Put your real life first, but when you are going for a cabal induction one of the most important things is to present a lot, or at least just on a regular basis. Cabal IMMs don't know what to think when someone is around for three days, and then missing for a week, etc. They will assume the pattern will continue, and they don't really want an unreliable (in this respect) person in their cabal even if they are talented in PK.

4) This one is rather obvious, but stick to your RP, and the ideals of the faction you are trying to join.

[The Forsaken]

Clan quests aren't a must depending on what clan your in. Azantar never did a single clan quest either, and was in Syndicate once, and Nexus two or three times. RP never hurts. Ever. PK is up to you, but if your trying to get into a cabal like Nexus, you should be able to back it up(Reaver), or be able to corrupt some people(Pandy). Warmaster? Fight challenges with the people already in Warmaster. Beat em up. They will show you some respect. Syndicate? Talk to Messalantha. She will let you know what she wants. Savant? Bleh...who wants to play a Savant? Tribunal? Last time I heard Prax sends out notes of what he wants. Herald? Bleh, who wants to play a Herald?(RP your hiney off). Watcher? Eshaine is on quite often. Talk to her.

It's not THAT hard to get into a cabal if you are trying.

[delfytheelfy]

It's not about being an elite PKer. I suck at PK and have gotten into cabals...

Valione (T) Justice

Yewahntull (T) Watcher

and ask the imms, I sucked!

[Deykari]

Getting into Cabals, for the most part, is most definately not about PK. Cabals that are very reliant on good PK skills (Syndicate) may need good PKers but I would imagine even Syndi let people into their ranks who might not be the best PKers but have a great aptitude for learning. I had an Elder in Watcher that condied with roughly 8 kills to his name - that should be proof enough that PK is not a requirement.

I think what Calron said about sums up my thoughts when it comes to Cabals. I always try to make myself a 'known' figure within the clan. Have you noticed, if you log in and check the "who" list and you're in a busy clan, there are always those people who you think, "Wow, is at V/T in the clan, never seen him before." and there are the people who you think, "Wow, so THAT's Deykari, that super-cool guy, I could imagine him being a T in the clan from all those notes he sends and stuff.".

It's people in the latter category who generally get into the Cabals, by putting themselves forward and making their name known in the clan, and showing they show all the traits needed for that Cabal, not the people who sit in the background just doing clan quests.

Think about what your chosen Cabal represents, what qualities they would want in a Caballer (PK skill aside), and find away to show those in the Cabal and the Cabal Imm that you possess those qualities.

Dey

[ajwetton]

It also depends on the Imm of that Cabal, for me it was easier to get into Knight with my Healer (Raialis) i was given the chance i believe before I even hit 50, it was either that or my paladin, Tribunal wasn't that bad either, but when I had a cleric going Savant I sat around veteran and trusted in the clan for a while and after I hadn't played for a week or so because i kinda got tired of waiting i had a chance to apply it. Its all on the imms, just rp and try to pk and be your character and you should be fine.

[archgold]

well just some advice after playing Nyofeld.....you want to be dedicated to your cause....and that means sacrificing yourself unless Eshaine tells you not to;) so don't be hesitant if you're supposed to do "suicide acts" hey i did it once and got trusted...hehe

second you want to always be rping whether it be speech or actions or your own crazy thing. given that you always want to try and interact like Calron said, interaction = super brownie points for the most part. Unless you piss your Imm off. Basically ask questions think of ideas you might want to institute to help your comrades all those sort of things. I've found if you fight challenges with top pkers in the cabal and manage to do sorta well or beat them up you gain some serious respect in everyone. And if you're friendly and help out when the cabal is looking for new members you're name will probably be brought up

but...its not only these things even before you're in the cabal you're supposed to be dedicated to your cause...i.e. Knight means try and kill undeads; Watchers take out Tribunals and so on.

if you do these things you'll definitely have a chance. And I doubt sending notes to the Imm unless its rp will help your cause.

[Raargant]

Also make sure you don't get on any IMM's badlists by doing things they would disapprove of IC. I know that while I was managing Knight, it usually went like this:

1 strike (blatant gangbanging, or breaking rules, etc.)=fully badlisted for a week, half badlisted for the second week, badlist gone afterwards.

2 strikes=fully badlisted for 1.5-2 weeks, half badlisted for another week after that.

3 strikes (repeated gangbanging, repeated rule breaches)=unless you do something spectacular, kiss your chances of getting in this cabal goodbye.

[Anume]

Doing clan quests will improve your chances for induction in every cabal. It shows you have a basic knowledge of the game (what is where) as well as that you were around a lot (you need to be there a lot to do a lot of clanquests).

They will not always be necessary for induction but it will never hinder it. When Imms consider future members for their cabals they usually look at when you were last about, how many clanquest you have, if you are around on a regular basis. This is the basic. Then things like pk ability and rp come into consideration. If we see someone who is very much above average in either of these, clan quest might not be necessary at all to get into the cabal.

Calron's and Deykari's posts hit the nail on the head in most aspects.

I think the main reasons for not getting caballed are either that you did something bad (break a rule, show constant shady behavior) or you give up too soon. I've sat at 50 for 3 months as a mort to finally get into the cabal I wanted once. Play your char, don't sit around in the clanhall waiting. Show us what you can do, show us that you are willing to learn and a death won't discourage you if you are not a good pker yet.

[Anume]

Re Nyo:

Rp with Imms is good but please, please people come up with something other than "How are you this fine morning/noon/evening..."

[Malchaeius]

and I don't know any of the Imm's personaly' date=' so I don't email or IM them, like perhaps some of you do.[/quote']

Just to quickly clarify this insinuation, no one on the IMMstaff converses with players regularly on IM or any other sort of messenger device. As a staff, we have policies forbiding this sort of interaction that may create OOC cliques that involve staff members.

As to what you can do to get into a cabal, I have read several good posts in this thread. If you have a specific question about what you can do in relation to your current character, feel free to ask on the prayer forum.

[Djriacen]

Yeah, Eshaine hates when you ask how she is, that's why I do it.

[Chromatic]

With my two caballed characters it was mostly RP and helping out the caballed players. Growlik recieved insane amounts of help from everyone in Watcher before him, and he got killed a few times trying to help, but any time someone asked for something. He was 'On it.' He died quite a few times but kept going back for more beatings. AND at that point I was on constantly, more active than almost anyone in the cabal. So I have to assume that's what got him in. Argus, I really don't know, except for the immense amount of time spent in the clan, it was more of a surprise than anything. But after induction I tried to Rp and Pk, the former I did a bit better I think.

[Iusedtobesomebody]

i must say i am still in favor of the 'old school' cabals. write your app, wait forever, get an audience with the cabal IMM, they have total choice and control. it might take as long or longer, but i'd much rather just impress the person whose opinion matters than to impress a cabal full of 'yes-men' voters.

*shrug* but that's just me.

[Calron]

If you just vote yes to try and power up your own cabal than you are just being silly. If I don't think someone should be inducted just yet, or aren't really sure, I definitely don't just type yes and move on.

[Polk]

Wow, thats alot of insight, I was actually biting my nails on that one the whole time reading, hoping noone/noImm was thinking I was bashing anyone or calling them out. I read over a few of my lines later on after I wrote them, and thought that it might sound that way, glad noone really took it like that. Simply put, I appreciate all the insight and suggestions. Thanks

[Iusedtobesomebody]

If you just vote yes to try and power up your own cabal than you are just being silly. If I don't think someone should be inducted just yet' date=' or aren't really sure, I definitely don't just type yes and move on.[/quote']

broad statement on my part and not directed at anyone in particular.

guess i'm an old-schooler at heart.

besides, i haven't had too much experience with 3.0 cabals as no one will group with any of my characters past 40. i been through 3 characters 40+ that i quit playing because no one ranks it seems. i know some are ranking as i see a billion new 50s, but damn, i must miss all the power-rankers.

[Anume]

Yeah' date=' Eshaine [i']hates when you ask how she is, that's why I do it.

Clan demote Djriacen... *whistles innocently*

[HBwillie]

From personal experience, I've found four things to be vital requirements for joining a cabal. It's mostly reiteration, but here ya go:

1. Get your final title. Imms want pinnacled chars in their cabal. Not lowbies that can retrieve the standard without dying

2. Complete clan quests. You should always do quests unless you're working for that final title or you're running away from a PK. I say complete quests rather than attacking an opposing cabal member.

3. PK. Show that you can mix it up. This is probably the least important of the four, but you need skills. PK is a large part of your char's life after you join a cabal, moreso than it was when you were uncaballed. (Heralds not included)

4. RP. This is by far the most important factor of cabal induction. Your RP shows solidity and dedication in your character and can impress your cabal Imm. RP supplements PK and vice versa.

The opinions expressed in this post are not the opinions of the FL Forum or any of its affiliates. All opinions expressed here are solely those of the poster.

[Chayesh]

Something I also find very handy is the words of your superiors within the cabal. RPing with your higher-ups can do you a world of good, especially when you are finding it hard to match times with your cabal IMM.

Case in point: I tend to find it hard to meet up with my clannies as much as I would like. I rely on the impressions of the Syndicate muckety-mucks to find out info my IMM character doesn't know about them. Also, we IMMs talk to each other also, and that is why I've always said that RPing with ANY IMM is a good thing, if for no other reason than the joy of RPing.

Oh yes, almost forgot, don't ask me how I am either. Since my RP is always looking for someone I can make suffer for my personal amusement, asking me how I am is probably the wrong thing to do.

[archgold]

Re Nyo:

Rp with Imms is good but please, please people come up with something other than "How are you this fine morning/noon/evening..."

what are you talking about of course I never said that.........well maybe sometimes....like that time you asked me if I ask a flower if its doing well....hehe that was funny.

[corpsestomp]

besides' date=' i haven't had too much experience with 3.0 cabals as no one will group with any of my characters past 40. i been through 3 characters 40+ that i quit playing because no one ranks it seems. i know some are ranking as i see a billion new 50s, but damn, i must miss all the power-rankers.[/quote']

Yah, I'm having a problem getting into the 30s lately even. It seems like no matter who I group with, I manage to pull off 1-2 runs through our ranking area, and someone has to leave.

That or EVERYBODY is training.