TheNewGuy Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Was just a bit tired and grumpy. So I wrote what I wrote instead of flaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inscribed Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 V was a political stab at Bush. The graphic novel was a well done story about fascism versus anarchy, but the movie producers decided to turn it into their own little forum for protesting the current administration. Alan Moore had good reason for being angry with its production. Only reason to see it is for Natalie Portman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorCleric Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 WTF? aparently we bombed them so hay' date=' thats pretty jacked up man. ****, what the ****[/quote'] The Somalian PRESIDENT has given us his support. We are not attacking his country' date=' we claim to be, searching for suspects in a bombing years ago.[/quote'] Exactly Zroth, their government requested help. We had a bunch of military/political diplomats heading over but the meeting was canceled when the whens and wheres were leaked. WC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfdude Posted January 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Haha, seriously the american sanctioned "government" asked us for help. Now I don't know the specifics, but taking that their "government" asked us for help at face value is a good idea. Maybe I am being jaded but I can't help but to be a little wary of us just sticking our noses in something that really isn't any of our business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorCleric Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Sure, everything our government does is bad, sure that makes perfect sense to me. Never mind the fact that the UN and the African Union want a peacekeeping force in as well as the Somalian government. This wasn't some single minded, dumb **** assault into a foreign country to oust a leader, it was a strike against the bad guys, which the country's government, the African Union, and the United Nations was for. The AU and Somalian government don't want those people in there country or region, causing a **** storm in an already messed up place, they want peace and quiet. And the UN has never been in line with terrorism, even before 9/11. The US has a right to bombard terrorist suspects who attacked its embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. And anyways, the bombing that took place was by one gunship, one. The rest of the action thats been in that country? Ethiopian and Somalian troops. This country asks us to come, tells us all the information they can on the people we don't like, gives us intel on training camps and says go **** em up. So we fly one gunship in, slag the camp, and you make us out to be bad guys for it? Right. Everything happening in Somalia is backed by the UN and the AU and the Somalian government, which was established with the help of the UN. Not the US. I'm sorry, but if you want to crap on the government for what they do in other countries you'll have to find something else, or go back to the old Iraqi outhouse. WC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valsgarde Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007 Just about everything our government does IS bad. Our government is like a corporation. Its main objective is to sell stock and make money, not to watch out for the wellbeing of its employees. Money is the root of all evil; coincedently, Money is also the resident God here in America. The government does what it wants to, and it wants to make money. It can't do what it wants without the backing of the people, so it contrives (or depending on the situation, asks others to contrive) lies to justify its actions. We have NO business in Africa or the Middle East. Period. PERIOD. And the UN? Who gives a damn what they want - all they are is a coalition of cowardly more-bark-than-bite beaurocratic spineless twits. And AFRICA? As if we should listen to them? Like they can even speak as if they have a consolidated opinion on what they want. Sub-Saharran Africa experiences a government coupe in each country like what, quarterly? Biannually? Their power (and rightful claims to it) are so innumerable and disseminated that none of them have the right to speak forth saying what the want, as this African Union does. If they had similar ideals, values, and virtues, they would have consolidated governments instead of a bunch of primitive factions that just run on homicidal rampages. All Africa is is a pan-continental gang war, and we chose a side, as if we have the right to engage in the conflict in the first place, and as if any one gang has the right to petition us for help. Of COURSE someone is gonna ask us for help. Whoever bows down and appeals/petitions America for aid in a bloody conflict will be the victor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delfytheelfy Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007 Someone needs to stop watching the news... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-guitarist Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007 We have NO business in Africa or the Middle East. Period. PERIOD. Sorry, I'm good at ignoring most of this thread, but I've got just one question to this... I may agree we have no business in the Middle East, but, however, Africa? We were asked to help there. It seems, that once asked to do something, we've got business doing things where we were asked to do them. It's not like we decided once we got there, "Hey, let's just buzz the cities and drop leaflets that say 'Go USA! We pnwd you hardcore!' and things like that." We came, did what we were asked to do (and I'm not denying that we wanted to do it, too), then said 'goodbye' and were gone... at least, as far as I know we didn't deploy troops into the region to police the place. This isn't directed directly at Vals, here, but a lot of people; I think a lot of people need to chill out on the whole government conspiracies stuff. Trust me, I'm a very paranoid person when it comes to the intentions of governments and such, but some things you've gotta just let go and realize, "Hey, it's not as bad as I think it is." a-g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myrek Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Money is the root of all evil; coincedently' date=' Money is also the resident God here in America.[/quote'] If it will free you from sin, my son. You can give me all of your money. It's already too late for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 I love money. It might not buy happiness directly, but it makes the pursuit of happiness so much easier and comfortable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myrek Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Knock it off, Z. I asked for him money first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorCleric Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 ...said a bunch of nonsense... Worth a read. Anyways, our buisness is we are asked to be there, and we said sure, so it's a commitment that our 'bad' country has agreed to, and if we bail on it, then people die. We get out of Africa, then African countries that need it don't get our aid, food, money, military for the country that needs it to help keep people safe, and then people die. And then the US gets called a bunch of heartless, uncaring bastards. If I am going to be hated, I'd rather be hated for doing the right thing, then hated for not doing anything at all. And if you feel you are giving too much evil to Myrek and Zroth, I myself have opened a deposit location where you can relinquish your false idol, and I will burn it. I will goto the mall and burn through that money quicker than a witch on a stake. Seriously, how evil can money be when less than the cost of a cup of coffee you can move a child out of hell in ethiopia and give him schooling and medical treatments? That little amount of money is doing soo much good! And to do evil? You've got to spend exponentially more to buy drugs, or guns. I submit money is good, you have to spend so much more to do bad things than good. WC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfdude Posted January 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 I thought that the UN didn't have the right to send in any peacekeepers because its a legitamite (sp?) war? Im not sure about this, not being sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruelEdict Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Agreed. -snip both posts- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valsgarde Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 I just personally don't think that because we're asked to be there we have a right to be there. Let's say two little nerdy freshmen kids that are squabbling, and one of them calls in some 6'5" linebacker off of the varsity football team to stomp the crap out of the other one. Though asked, he doesn't belong in the conflict. I'm not trying to troll or attract flames, I'm just asserting forth my opinion as everyone else is. As for my possession of said root, I think there should be a battle royale to the death. To the victor, the spoils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfdude Posted January 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Good point Valsgarde, what about the people that are being bombed? Oh thats right they are insurgents and they deserve to be punished!!! America said that they were evil, that must be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-guitarist Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 I just personally don't think that because we're asked to be there we have a right to be there. Let's say two little nerdy freshmen kids that are squabbling' date=' and one of them calls in some 6'5" linebacker off of the varsity football team to stomp the crap out of the other one. Though asked, he doesn't belong in the conflict.[/quote'] Did the second Nerdy Freshman kill a bunch of the other nerdy freshman's geeky entourage? Or blow up the first nerdy freshman's tree house? I think that changes a whole lot of whats going on. a-g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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