L-A Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 well if your a straight mage' date=' go for the beast saves and moderate ac, you can buff your ac with many items, if your a melee, I say go allllll hit dam, cause no matter WHAT your saves are, you WILL get hit with something, or you WILL fail a save, BUT if you have a monster hit dam, they do not have the time to try to pummel you with lots of damage. Thats just my take though.[/quote'] This is why the shaman class exisits - to kill people like this :-) And yes, they can do it and easily if they know what they are doing. -400ac is a nice number, I've been to -600ac+ on a bmage, but a lot of its just showing off.... Some of the bmage -ac spells do more than just lower your ac as well..... L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 -350 through -400 ac is good. Stay around there. No need for more. I believe Viri said anywhere past -400 isn't going to do much. I am not a fan of HP gear. Mostly because if you have great AC - Saves, you won't need the extra HP. My Necro had -420 ac and -60 saves across the board, with no special eq. I had Invokers doing lacerates, with hellstream. So I didn't really need any special HP. So AC > HP Saves > HP HP > Hit/Dam This is for a Mage/communer in my book. Unless your an FG Cleric. You bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celerity Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 What were the call lightnings doing (edit: not necessarily on the illithid!)? How was sirican doing? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Yes, my Necro was an Illithid. True. Sirican, lol. That was a fluke and you know it! Took two rounds and pissed me the hell off. Sirican usually had 75/65 with -300 ac and -20 saves across the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 I would have cut that down to 50/50 and went aff saves with a vengeance. 50/50 is a very healthy melee stature. Anything after that is just overkill, IMO. Especially with your cabal makeup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celerity Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 well...I've heard dogs don't like lightning and are particularly hard to hit..you know? That was suicide on your part! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 I was trying to accomplish something, it wasn't meant to be long term. I wasn't sure you'd know how to capitalize so quickly. Heh, had I known I was fighting Celerity I would have been a little more cautious. Well hey, I was trying to see if my high speed race car could make the super sharp turn, it usually works out well. That time I happened to crash and burn pretty badly. *shrug* 50/50 hit/dam? Yeah right. I was having a hell of a time landing attacks on rangers/warriors as it was. Ugh, Thandaeus was NASTY with his staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-A Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 50/50 is a very healthy melee stature. Anything after that is just overkill' date=' IMO. [/quote'] Not quite true, there is a higher breakpoint than 50/50. L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'tarako Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 'Wow, i've never had a hit/dam over 30/20, my ac has never been over 150, and my saves never over (under?) -10. that might explain a few things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Actually, the max hit/dam is much higher than 50/50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questioner Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 'Wow' date=' i've never had a hit/dam over 30/20, my ac has never been over 150, and my saves never over (under?) -10. that might explain a few things.[/quote'] ^ | | | Noob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 ^ | | | Noob. Lol. ^ | | | Look at the pot calling the kettle black. Noob. EDIT: Sorry, should have added a smiley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questioner Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 It was in good faith. I <3 Noobs. Reminds me of me all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-A Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Actually' date=' the max hit/dam is much higher than 50/50. [/quote'] I didn't think there was a cap... Though I'm sure it was made that you get dimishing returns after a certain point... L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balgashang Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 I didn't think there was a cap... Though I'm sure it was made that you get dimishing returns after a certain point... L-A Pssh thats just a rumor L-A, anyone remember when Sirant and Mhalador went at in Val Miran? The were hitting annhilates, eradicates and even some unspeakables in straight melee...anything is possible....if you're an imm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 I wish i could have 1000 AC. I think i never hited 500 mark. But HP is a lot better than AC. Only for insane amounts of AC does it compensates HP. Unless you are a halfling healer that only fights mobs... Hit/Dam Keep pumping them. I wish i could get 30/100. It would steamroll anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Hit/Dam Keep pumping them. I wish i could get 30/100. It would steamroll anyone. Except for someone with a 60/30 who you never hit but hits you all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Its all about havign a intimate knolage about the fighting system. If you know how to use the advantages you can the diference from 60 to 30 be not noticable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tick Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Ac > Hp for some classes, especially for ones who can heal. For a cleric who is an elf or similar class, if he is healing 100 damage and taking 150, dying is still inevitable, just slower. If he adds an extra -200 ac to the mix, he might heal 100 hp and take only 80, meaning he's actually staying in perfect heath. And the "intimate" knowledge of the fighting system is not how most of the vets/elites I know have ever gotten powerful. Code power and pk power aren't the same . P.S. I had -650 Ac once, a savant invoker kicked my *** SOOO bad...ugh, it was terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myrek Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 'Wow' date=' i've never had a hit/dam over 30/20, my ac has never been over 150, and my saves never over (under?) -10. that might explain a few things.[/quote'] Yup, other than saves, that's about where I play. But I don't play melees unless I feel like wasting a couple hundred hours of my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 AC does not saves you from a Invocker or other spell damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister E Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Exactly, he said he got pwned by an Invoker and he had really good saves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H&R Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 I believe he was call lightninged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tick Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Yeah...like two of them and I was dead. It was nasty. Oohh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted January 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 yeah, call lightning is designed to kill people with high ac... i rememebr with reannaean, i loved decked bmages. heh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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