Alorger

[Mr. Tick]

Deleted.

Apparently pinns now have nothing better do than kill nonpinns, follow them until they unghost, kill them again, full loot, find them when they hunt, kill them.

Its ridiculous and I'm done with it.

I remember when people who killed nonpinns were considered trash and they usually got their asses kicked, now they're the cabaled people.

There's no way a T in a cabal should feel the need to follow someone with a 6 rank disadvantage who he's never interacted with until he unghosts, kill him and full loot.

Happened to me twice.

Not to mention the other dozen people who killed me while I ranked or resuited.

[jb5679]

To be fair (and no, I've never killed you), but Alorger was a thief which makes him hunted hard prepinn than any other class around. No one likes seeing thieves / ninjas at 50 unless they know they can trust em or they are them, heh. Sorry ya deleted though, no interaction, roll up another and kick some butt

[Mr. Tick]

I doubt I'll ever roll anything that isn't super survivable again, the FL pbase has suffered a major degredation in their "pk ethics" with cabals ganging left and right(One cabal almost exclusively ganging) and trash pk pretty much everywhere.

Edit: Its not that I hate pk. I'm fine with pk, and with people killing me, but here are some rules I've always held myself to.

1. Fighting two on one is admitting that the other person is better than you, and someone who admits that his opponent is better than him shouldn't be in a cabal.

2. Multi-Killing is reserved for instances of an extreme nature.

3. There's no need to full loot people who are trying to rank.

[TheNewGuy]

If you die, log out. Suck up. Come back later. That is something I learned the hard way...

And if you don't want to be hated, don't play a thief/ninja.

And if people multikil your thief at pre-pinnl, multi-pry them when you hit pinnacle

[H&R]

being hated is a price for having fun with a thief

[Mudder]

I agree with Mr. Tick.

I've been hunted RUTHLESSLY with around 5 rank disadvantage by Pinns. Its extremely annoying. I would have to form powerhouse groups just to be ABLE to hunt, so they wouldn't attack for fear they might die from my group. Lol.

The best way to get around this? Find a powerful friend at 50. Join Despair and ask Morchial to help hunt. Or speak on clanchat that keeps messing up your hunt. I bet you the Nexus will get your back.

And if ANY char pre-pin tells me that someone keeps killing them for no apparent reason and they can't hunt. (In an RP sort of way, of course) I personally will hunt down the aggressor and full-loot multi-kill. I will find an RP reason for it. Because I don't agree with it. I bet many of the Vets will feel similar. Though if you don't sound somewhat newish, I will RP with you more, to try and get a better reason... I tend to defened newbies more.

[Deykari]

Unless you have an all-seeing eye that allows you to see everytime somebody gets killed, how do you know that "current pinns have nothing to do but just kill low-level rankers"?

I'm not saying this to cover my own back, as I don't even have a pinned character at the minute, but how do you know that the current pinns aren't constantly fighting each other? That the reason pinns are coming for you is because everyone else at pinn is occupied somehow? Even then, that doesn't matter, because you are free game as soon as you have a tag next to your name.

You're not the first person who's been killed pre-pinn, and you're not the last person who will be. But it annoys me when people complain about this sort of thing because FL is meant to be a dangerous world, not a world bound by some sort of 'honour code'. Sure, it's all good being the 'classy' player (a term I use loosely, as I think there is nothing wrong with killing pre-pinns providing there is a reason) but just beacuse someone killed you a few times pre-pinn doesn't mean you get the right to start calling people trash for doing something that is completely within their rights (as describe in the FL rules) to do so.

It sounds to me that you have a problem with the way the FL PK system works as opposed to be actual playerbase, because even though there are 'classy' players out there, if you're expecting everybody to play FL as a person who will only PK others of equal rank, equal EQ set-up and after a 30minute RP discussion then you're wrong.

Just my opinion. I don't neccessarily agree with going around destroying pre-pinns reasonless, but you just need to accept that it's part of the game and you can't expect everyone to be all lovey-dovey and honour-bound. Unless it's some sort of excessive mulit-killing without a really good reason then it is perfectly within the FL rules. Look at it this way, once you get to pinn, give them a good floundering.

Dey

[Mudder]

Also, if these are CABALLED characters multi-killing pre-pins with severe rank disadvantage with full loots. Even going as far as to follow you until you unghost. Send a note to immortal and more specifically that cabal immortal. I assure you, they will be dealt with.

Unless of course you are a qclass/qrace. They're supposed to have a horrible time no matter what.

[Deykari]

Also' date=' if these are CABALLED characters multi-killing pre-pins with severe rank disadvantage with full loots. Even going as far as to follow you until you unghost. Send a note to immortal and more specifically that cabal immortal. I assure you, they will be dealt with.[/quote']

Agreed. That is if there is apparently no reason to do so. And ensure there is no reason, I know for sure if I was a Caballed T and a lower-ranked jumped in a battle against me, looted things from me after death, ganged me, directly opposed my Cabal (attacked my altar/standard) or anything like that, I'd try to make their lives hell for a little bit, regardless of being pinn or non-pinn. Same if I'd just killed them, and they started verbally trashing me/whining at me/threatening to tell my Cabal Imm. I had similar experiences with Ultorn, quite regularly, with low-ranked people who attack me whilst fighting others, then expect me to leave them alone because I was a Gladiator. Then when they got killed and looted, threatened to report me to my Cabal Imm.

Mmm.

I'm not saying that you did any of that by the way, just making a general post about how I've seen a lot of people delete over that sort of 'trash'.

Dey

[Mudder]

Well i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because of what he said in the first post and i've had the exact same exepriences as him.

But Dey is right too. Don't do anything stupid and expect the Imms to take your side.

[Grosek_]

I gotta say though, if you don't want the pinns on your ***, you probably shouldn't steal from them.

[Mr. Tick]

I stole from Comlin a couple times after he killed me.

I did rob Radreg before he attacked me, it was me and him at an odd time, only person in my range, no one even in group range.

Once people had already killed me I did rob them If I saw them but I ONLY took back what was mine, and usually told them so in a tell afterwards.

Edit: I did rob 5 or 6 people around 30, all in a couple hours, but near the stretch to pinn if there was a ranking group, I was taking it.

Oh, I also stole stuff from Dagizon's inventory and gave his crap to some hopefuls when he attacked our clan.

[Deykari]

Well, if I kill someone and then later on, they steal from me, I'm going to kill them again next time I see them.

For the record though, I did like Alorger. You could have caused a bit of a fuss if you'd have got to pinn.

Dey

[Mr. Tick]

People aren't nearly as agressive towards evil or balance walker thieves, which I find odd...as they rob from everyone.

[tassinvegeta]

Oh I remember the days when I had to go though this came kind of stuff. It was my desire to grow stronger and never give up that made me keep coming back stronger and stronger. My word of advice is just learn from the experience and never never give up, for if it gets to you than you'll might as well give up and quit fl. Everything you went through is something many of us have and continue to go through, its just part of fl life, like it or not. Though I do agree with you on the multi-killing. I never ever agreed with any reason to initiate a reason multi kill a person.

[BobcatFan]

Heh. I was only really hunted around 30 by the qclass wanabees. I actually was hunted by a paladin who was on his "cleanse evil" adventures.

After three blackjackings and stealing a few of his bags, I convinced him I was not a theiving type. He was actually the first one I stole from.

People do hate theives. Just gotta power rank it up when you get around the pinns, and hide like a wimp when they come for you. Or blackjack and steal their stuff.

[tassinvegeta]

That's something I really never understood. How many backpacks to thieves need? I mean really.:confused:

[BobcatFan]

Well if we have alot of backpacks, its because those are what we usually take first. They are filled with goodies like vials, brews, herbal potions, detect-invis, etc.

[ainbimagh]

I stole from Comlin a couple times after he killed me.

I did rob Radreg before he attacked me, it was me and him at an odd time, only person in my range, no one even in group range.

Once people had already killed me I did rob them If I saw them but I ONLY took back what was mine, and usually told them so in a tell afterwards.

Edit: I did rob 5 or 6 people around 30, all in a couple hours, but near the stretch to pinn if there was a ranking group, I was taking it.

Oh, I also stole stuff from Dagizon's inventory and gave his crap to some hopefuls when he attacked our clan.

This um... is a complete lie, he also stole from several of my chars, including my pinn on numerous occasions. Interefered with MANY raids on Val Miran and Rheydin. Insulted and antagonized Gauhmak (my recently deleted) for attacking his groupmate who was ALSO interfering with a Syndicate Raid on Val miran. Along with numerous other activities against those at pinnacle.

[BobcatFan]

Just dont mess with people until pinn. I didnt, I took 0 deaths until 50 when I started stealing like a klepto.

[ainbimagh]

Anyway the short and sweet of this is...

You pissed off person A and person B.

Person A and Person B told their allies person C, D, E, and F. If you see the thief, string him up and gut him.

Now when person C D E and F cant find you they let persons G+ know to inform them if they find you.

Persons G+ may be inclined to please persons A through F and therefor also hunt/look for you.

You act like "I stole from , that gives no right to attack me!"

[BobcatFan]

Answer- Stay away from ninjas. You shouldnt die to anyone but ninjas or theives.

[Mr. Tick]

Any lightwalker who won't defend innocent people from raids on their homes should be outcast...its ridiculous to expect anything else...

When I was antagonizing gauhmak I was in a really bad mood, had already died 5 or 6 times that DAY and been full looted by pinns, and hunted(as a ghost) by a nexus after being killed and trying to resuit, and full looted then, too.

I only robbed a total of MAYBE 10 people in the entire char's life who didn't attack me first, and that number is less than 5 in the stretch to pinn.

[Fiere]

Any lightwalker who won't defend innocent people from raids on their homes should be outcast...its ridiculous to expect anything else...

You can't just make a blanket statement like that. Not everybody's rp works that way. And even if you could say that, you need to expect people to attack you if you're interfering with raids.

[ainbimagh]

Any lightwalker who won't defend innocent people from raids on their homes should be outcast...its ridiculous to expect anything else...

When I was antagonizing gauhmak I was in a really bad mood, had already died 5 or 6 times that DAY and been full looted by pinns, and hunted(as a ghost) by a nexus after being killed and trying to resuit, and full looted then, too.

I only robbed a total of MAYBE 10 people in the entire char's life who didn't attack me first, and that number is less than 5 in the stretch to pinn.

Ah you still dont get it..

if you rob 10 people, and each person has 2 friends, and each one of those friends has 1 friend, who all hear about a filthy thief sticking his grubby hands into their friends pockets.

You've now made 10+20+20 = 50 enemies.

You have to remember "steal and pry" are unique in their offense. As in 99% of the time you dont have a response to the action. This frustrates people.

And when you dont have a response to action, you have to ACT before it occurs. Which means, pound little teef into dirt before he sticks his grubby hands in yer pantaloons!