savnt Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 some more cleaning. Ut is gone as well. Couldn't make warmaster because clan quests aren't my thing. Sort of a sorry attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGuy Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 He's cleaning up for something big, it seems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb5679 Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Ut deleted? C'mon now, I interacted with em a few times, he had a bunch o' promise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savnt Posted January 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Eh, like I said. With warmaster, promise with no clan quests means a perma-battle clan I guess. I don't like warriors anyways. Too eq dependant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindflayer Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 I loved Ut, sorry to see him go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchaeius Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Clan quests are not always a necessary component of getting caballed. But if you cannot impress your Immortal otherwise, either by your actions or the spread of the fame of your character - then you should re-consider thinking yourself above doing clan quest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savnt Posted January 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Not to be a whiner, but Ut defeated everyone in battle, and in Warmaster... without sanctuary, and more than once except for Risaughkim. That would impress me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchaeius Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Mayhaps you deleted a tad early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savnt Posted January 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Possible. Ut was just taken aside and told he didn't even do the minimum of clan quests required by Thinoth. That, to me, put things in black and white. In my personal opinion, there are several ways of showing your dedication to a clan or cabal. Objectively, I can understand that clan quests were created for a purpose. However, as a player that knows where everything is, they are little more than bland legwork. In the case of Warmaster, they get in the way of challenges. Now, in truth, I really lost interest in Ut when I heard the clan quests were a necessity. Truth be told, I neither harbor any anger or whatnot on the subject. This was old news, happened about two weeks ago that I was told that. I just wanted to say, to IMMS who require a static number of clan quests to get in to a cabal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corpsestomp Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Possible. Ut was just taken aside and told he didn't even do the minimum of clan quests required by Thinoth. Unless the Imm leader of a clan, or the mort leader of the cabal told me this, I would ignore them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WagesofSin Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 What's so bad about clan quests anyway? They're simple to do and are a source of steady income. I often joined a clan just so I couldget paid doing the clan quests . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 [Clan quests] are little more than bland legwork... Sort of like waxing your sensei's car... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Thinoth is the Immortal leader of WM/Battle. To be fair, I don't think anybody should think themselves exempt from doing clan quests. Different Imms have different requirements, and saying that just because you know where everything is, means you shouldn't have to do clan quests, seems a bit arrogant and almost lazy to me. You could argue that they show a willingness to do work for the Cabal. Clan quests may detract from the odd challenge, but they are not at all frequent enough to make them a constant nuisance. Nor do I doubt that a challenge will be occuring each time a clan quest is issued. You can surely impress and get Caballed (depending on the Imm) without doing quests, but meh, I don't think you should go into a clan with the attitude, "I'm an awesome PKer and can wipe-out the opposing Cabal's members, that means I shouldn't have to do clan quests." Put the work in and reap the rewards, IMO. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Anume Posted January 26, 2007 Implementor Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 I don't see what is sooo very bad about doing clan quests. I won't cabal ANYONE who hasn't done at least a single ONE. Why? Easy, if you can't be bothered to put that little work into getting cabaled I don't think you should be bothered with cabal duties either. Plain out refusal to do ANY clan quests just shows a very bad attitude and lack of dedication (in other words: lazy butt ). On a different note our standards for other Imm's morts are usually HIGHER. So we usually get to do a LOT of them and know exactly what amount of time is usually put into one (I'd say average half a minute if you are a good runner or have word of recall to speed you along). Haven't intereacted with Ut much, wish you good luck with your next project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobson Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Haven't intereacted with Ut much, wish you good luck with your next project. ....:'(....No I am very dissappointed and angry....I got an angry remark....You were dissappointed....I feel so bad..... :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Anume Posted January 26, 2007 Implementor Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Re Dobson: What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deptore Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Yeah I understand where you're coming from there man. Still you must've had some free time to do a few. Since I'm living in Japan if I don't stay up to 2am I don't have IMM interraction usually. The most I've had lately was getting beat over the head and a cookie tossed to me for being a good boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savnt Posted January 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Well, like I said. I am not pointing any fingers at anyone.... like people that call others "lazy butt".... ahem.... Anyways... now this will fire some people up, but I will say it anyways. Clan quests seem to me, like a poor mans pk. If you can't prove yourself against the cabals enemies or members, you can always run to a guild guard in val miran, and back to your clan home... and get in. From one stand point, I love that. I am always the person to yell about letting inexperienced people in to cabals. Hell... how else would they become experienced? On the other hand, we all enjoy different parts of the mud. For example : Deykari likes dying to my characters, Archangel liked killing my characters. Eshaine likes to RP with mortals, Behrens likes to pk with humans. Savnt hates clan quests that hold no challenge or danger, Grosek likes to pk at lvl 15. Deykari is thrilled at being chased, Raargant likes to chase hard liquor with beer. Now, seriously... the element of danger is what I enjoy. That is why I love assassination ninjas. If you fail... you are most likely dead 90% of the time. However, if you succeed, you have the other guy slapping his forehead. There is no element of danger in running from Val, to Val. Or from Khorandain to... Val. I do usually remember to put my training bra on before running that gauntlet, but other than that..... eh. Ipso facto, it is like pulling teeth to get me to break away from what I am doing to go take care of something like that. However, An Immortal tells you, "Hey, go kill Johnny Nosepicker." Now... there is a clan quest I like. I guess it all comes down to your style as a player, what you like, and what you don't like. It is not an insult to anyone, but some people don't mind them.... I actually hate them with a passion. We all have out reasons. Mine kept me out of Warmaster, this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behrens Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Raargant likes to chase hard liquor with beer. I KNEW there was something fishy about him. Seriously, that is fine if you don't want to do that. Just RP with your IMM, find out his requirements, and decide if you want to be in his cabal. Each cabal IMM has a right to determine what is required to enter the cabal. Either meet his requirements or pick a new cabal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Anume Posted January 26, 2007 Implementor Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Np. If you like danger do the odd clan quest that tells you to go to Winter (Steel/Blood/Magic) talk to Mr tough mob and come back in 3 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Most people won't get into a Cabal doing clan quests alone. To me, the formula to getting into a Cabal is a combination of showing you're determined and willing to support their cause (via clan quests and interaction with the clan and it's members) and to not show that you CAN PK, but show that you're WILLING to try and give it 110%, and not log off in front of 5 enemy Caballers when you're a newbie. So how does doing clan quests remove the danger aspect? Nobody is saying, "Go and PK that guy. If you can't do it, do 10 clan quests and you're in." If someone does a ton of clan quests but avoids PKing with enemy clan members/caballers, do you think they're going to have a shot at getting in? The fact is, that a lot of newer players who get into the Cabals don't get in from just clan quests alone, but because even if they die a lot, they're putting the effort towards PKing and trying to learn, and not wimping out. Clan quests are no way at all, frequent enough to make them a constant nuisance to your activites, like I said earlier, and if a couple should crop up whilst you're busy, ignore them - nobody is saying to do each and every one that comes your way. I think it's a combination of clan quests, RP and a willingness to get out there and fight for the Cabal. But, with all that said and done, that's just my opinion on things. Each Imm will judge their prospective applicatants in their own ways. *shrug* Good luck with your next. Never interacted with this char, but like said with Fenle, I have always liked your chars and I'm sure this one would have been as good. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Anume Posted January 26, 2007 Implementor Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Yeah I understand where you're coming from there man. Still you must've had some free time to do a few. Since I'm living in Japan if I don't stay up to 2am I don't have IMM interraction usually. The most I've had lately was getting beat over the head and a cookie tossed to me for being a good boy. No more cookies for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savnt Posted January 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Np. If you like danger do the odd clan quest that tells you to go to Winter (Steel/Blood/Magic) talk to Mr tough mob and come back in 3 days. I usually do. Especially with my lvl 20-30s. Very interesting and scary sometimes. heh. Seriously' date=' that is fine if you don't want to do that. Just RP with your IMM, find out his requirements, and decide if you want to be in his cabal. Each cabal IMM has a right to determine what is required to enter the cabal. Either meet his requirements or pick a new cabal.[/quote'] Well, in far less words than I used, you summed it up. Like I said, I am only grumpy about the situation. I am just deleting him, for the sake of cleaning. When I make a new char, he will be in a different cabal. I smell and think Savnt is the coolest guy around. I completely agree with you. Man, is this guy omnifiscent or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Anume Posted January 26, 2007 Implementor Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Dey is right about the combination requirement. It varries for each cabal but you will have to both do clan quests and pk in most cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 How can Behrens tell you're cool by the way you smell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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