Chayesh Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 IMO just being an elf is a huge rp penalty' date=' you have to be a flaming homo for starters, thats never fun. [/quote'] Is that why all the women hang around them? I thought it was their exceptionally long....ears, yeah...and their command of poetry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-A Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Humans have different stats - that human invoker will heal faster than the elf due to higher con. They can carry more due to higher str as well. They can rank faster - a BIG plus for mages. You can't be attacked as easily by those above you (wasn't there just a big whine thread about people getting beat up by pinnacles? We should be due for another next week...) and you can beat up on those much, much, much lower than you. I always suspected Poplin was a human because he wanted a wider range of bounties - not saying he didn't kill 50s, but he would have had a LOT more to choose from than say, Waojin. I played a human Syndicate thief for the same reason: More bounties = less boredom. Humans get other bonuses too - read the helps. General rule of thumb - the higher your xp penalty the more 'advantages' you have at lvl 50. Its the price you pay. Take a low xp penalty and rank faster with less 'advantages.' You knew what you were getting when you rolled the character. Its not THAT hard to get to lvl 50, true. That doesn't mean its fait acommpli for a lot of people. Or that you will get there without me or a dozen other players multi-killing you in your final seven ranks if you are an elf paladin/drow dk. Also, who REALLY cares if you are picking off lowbies all the time? Some meaningless post on a forum? I never hesitate to patrol ranking areas or kill low level characters of opposite align if that's what my character would do. Ignore will stop their whining (as will multikilling and looting) - and I back my game to stand up to their OOC friends who get called in (Duergar blm and gnome thief, I'm talking to YOU). Cabal IMMs never seem to mind as long as you're capable of discharging your cabal duties (mostly killing other lvl 50s of opposing cabals). Well, no IMM has ever had a go at me for it, and I've led a cabal or three in my time. Of course, my characters don't always have to run from other lvl 50s either L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savnt Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Poplin was a human battlemage. Now, this is not intended to be offensive to the player... but he was so effective because he hunted people before their pinnacle. Humans can reach as far down as 42.... which he often did. The misconception of him is that he was crazy good.... but the fact is... the vast majority of his collections were prepinn people. The rest were pinn melee. Everyone else was taken care of by the vampire syndi at the time. I am pretty sure it was aciati. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 The Aciati and Poplin days, yeesh. I had a nexus leader at the time that traveled around with them. Also had a dwarf warrior justice that had to fight them. Being on both ends of the spectrum, with each of them, I can say both of them earned their keep, in a completely, respectable and classy way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister E Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Excuse me, but what does a guy with no shirt know about class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behrens Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Humans can reach as far down as 42.... which he often did. This is a feature, not a bug. Seriously, PK doesn't begin at 50. Killing someone with a rank disadvantage is hardly a mark of dishonor, or the sign of a bad player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savnt Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 I never claimed it was bad. I was clearing up a misconception about him. I also didn't claim it was a bug. I am sure I must have been unclear, however. It was late when I posted. My point was, he was memorable because he killed almost every player of the game at the time, one way or another. Such was possible, because he didn't solely go for pinns... he went for everyone, everywhere, anytime. He was not a pk monster, he was someone that exploited two things. Players ignorance of his class, and the fact that he could clear 42-50. If he couldn't kill you due to your combo, Aciati would. I remember them taking turns, actually. One out in the day, one out in the night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Nothing prevents you from going 1 prac with the human. After all a invocker has very little to master. And i disagree with B, picking on rank advantage is like a male beating up girls to prove that he is strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Why do we have an exp penalty then? Lets just make everyone need the same amount of exp, then there'll be no rank advantages. (If you choose a high exp penalty class, expect to be picked on by higher ranked characters. That's part of the game, as already stated, but I like to blow my horn ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WagesofSin Posted February 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Why do we have an exp penalty then? Lets just make everyone need the same amount of exp, then there'll be no rank advantages. (If you choose a high exp penalty class, expect to be picked on by higher ranked characters. That's part of the game, as already stated, but I like to blow my horn ) Because the game is horrendously imbalanced unless you are both at 50. It's pretty much nothing but a running match for the guy with the non-pinned character. Ultimately, forcing them to log off when they know they can't win when they are outclassed. I think such a situation ruins the experience of the game, but that's just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchaeius Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 It is not a ruining of the game. It is the price you have to pay for having a high exp combo. It is also the benefit that you gain for choosing what most would consider a "bland" combo. Does killing a character that you have a lot of advantages on impress anyone? Not really. Does killing a character that you have a lot of advantages lower your status in the eyes of the immortals? Not really. The caveat being if you multi-kill or only kill those who are not at their pinnacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 It's not ALWAYS a running match. Sure, you're hunting and the only one in PK range and they come for you, yeah, it's a running match. You're badly equipped and running low on vials. Yep time to run. But often it's truly just as good to stand and fight. Plenty of times, even if I didn't get the kill, I've ran off the attacker with a nice boost and pride, and one bruised enemy who will think twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behrens Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 If we didn't want differential-level fights, we would just give everyone a 50, or make everyone's PK range their own level. Part of learning FL is learning that a level advantage is hard but not impossible to overcome. I have seen people all the way from level 42-44 take out a 50, if they're prepared, willing to accept their disadvantages, and played well. If you only kill level 42-44 people as a human caster, you'll probably never get a cabal or any IMM respect, but that doesn't mean you're doing something disallowed. And if you take advantage of a level advantage when it is there (and you have a good RP reason for it, of course), you are doing nothing wrong. (also remember that some 42-44 people have 50 friends who will stomp you if you make their life miserable. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raargant Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Part of learning FL is learning that a level advantage is hard but not impossible to overcome. I have seen people all the way from level 42-44 take out a 50' date=' if they're prepared, willing to accept their disadvantages, and played well.[/quote'] So true. Once upon a time, my level 42 elf paladin killed Behren's level 50 dark knight. Then, when I hit 50, his dark knight (same character) killed my paladin. It's not all about levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 So true. Once upon a time' date=' my level 42 elf paladin killed Behren's level 50 dark knight.[/quote'] Yeah, and once upon a time my Level 46 dwarf zerk took on Raargant himself and...wait, nevermind. Rank was a huge issue there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behrens Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 So true. Once upon a time, my level 42 elf paladin killed Behren's level 50 dark knight. Then, when I hit 50, his dark knight (same character) killed my paladin. It's not all about levels. Yep. Remember that someone at 50 coming after your lower level character might not be as prepared as you can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malanith Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Preparation + Knowledge > Rank advantage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Preparation H + Knowledge of the Kama Sutra > Malanith's Mother's Inhibitions Corrected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 *cricket noises* That was the weakest "burn" ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raargant Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 That is an understatement. And anyhow, let's get the thread back on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malanith Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Note to self: Deny any and all applications of Evangelion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Human casters are not gimps. They don't have the shiny perks of being drow/elf/avian/gnome/duergar....but they are allowed to have easier PK targets to make their pathetic lives a little more enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister E Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Note to self: Deny any and all applications of Evangelion. Why waste your precious time Malanith? Don't Evangelions apps pretty much deny themselves? Oh Burn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chayesh Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Note to self: Deny any and all applications of Evangelion. Notes merged. Reason to show user: duplicate thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bl3h Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 So what if a human caster has less mana than the other races? Nothing that a good selection of eq couldn't fix. And having faster hp regen cause of higher con is a great help, and being able to carry more weight due to higher str is just awesome for looting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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