Guu Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Syntax: backstab This skill gives thieves the ability to plant a dagger into the backs of their opponent, striking them by surprise as well as inflicting a massive amount of pain. This surprise attack is only effective to victims who are in excellent condition. Opponents of a much greater size may not be backstabbed. My question is regarding the last sentence. I know I have seen smaller sized thieves backstabbing giants...I'm pretty sure I've been backstabbed as a giant by a human or duergar thief...or am I imagining it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobcatFan Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 I think its more about the damage that they take, even though I think it should do more damage. Large creatures have larger organs and more vuln points that a thief could stab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Actually, it should do less. Think about the difference between stabbing a dog with a kitchen knife and stabbing a bear. It's a lot harder for that one stab to kill the bear, because he's bigger and can accomodate larger injuries without them being fatal. But yes, giants can be backstabbed by thieves, but it may be possible that giants can't be backstabbed by thieves while AWAKE. Not sure on that by any means, so don't quote me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindflayer Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 This is a little off topic, but it applies... It is best to knock out your opponent before you attempt to backstab them, for two reasons. They cannot counter your backstab while blackjacked AND you'll deal more damage with your stab against a sleeping opponent due to their lower armor class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guu Posted February 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Thanks folks...just was curious if it was stated wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Also, you're just plain more likely to hit them while asleep with the backstab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobcatFan Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Ive always wondered this though. To me, dual backstab is two backstabs at the same time. But I think the mechanics of the game lend it two two repetitive attacks. I could be wrong but it certainly would explain why the second backstab is usually much weaker player a's backstab ***obli**** player b player b wakes up payers a's dual backstab mut. player b I could be completely off, but I could swear I have blackjacked a monk before that was countering back stab. The first hit, he awoke and countered the dual backstab. This was with Salvence and a while back, so I could be just making things up too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corpsestomp Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 It's true, I've seen someone counter the dual backstab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobcatFan Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Good. Then honestly, what are your opinions on that. To me a dual backstab should be done at the same time and should not be able to be countered at all of the opponent is sleeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Good. Then honestly' date=' what are your opinions on that. To me a dual backstab should be done at the same time and should not be able to be countered at all of the opponent is sleeping.[/quote'] Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobcatFan Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 worth posting on the suggestion page? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 While a dual backstab should not be able to be countered, it should do less damage. Long ago as a mage i've been backstabbed + dual backstabbed and died from that alone. It looked like this... === DISINT *** OBLIT Lets not make this even worse for mages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calron Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Umm, I'm 99.9% sure that isn't true. Giants can be backstabbed and dual backstabbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raargant Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 What Calron said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-A Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Good. Then honestly' date=' what are your opinions on that. To me a dual backstab should be done at the same time and should not be able to be countered at all of the opponent is sleeping.[/quote'] Its a balance issue (IMHO). I have seen (and had done to me) UNSPEAKABLE for backstab. Dual backstab followed with a <>. That is more than enough damage for the skill balance. On a non-vuln class I had no trouble hitting ===DIS=== ***DEM*** with my thieves. Sleeping opponents always took <<> for openers, vuln races more. Non-sleeping usually **OBLIT** and MANGLE (sometimes **DEMO**). All more than enough for me to easily overcome my targets as a thief in the following combat. The skils in themselves are sufficently powerful enough not to make dual hit you while 'sleeping' THe damage increase will make it too easy (IMHO) for one hit kills. As for not being countered - vs the counter classes a thief needs the dual backstab for the extra hp to get htem across the line in combat. Making it non-counterable if you are asleep would make sense to me. I wouldn't agree with it hitting you as 'asleep' though due. L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-A Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Size also affects another skill closely related to the backstabs. That's all I'll say about that. L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiere Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 I know what you're talking about, and it's never seemed to make a huge difference to me. Maybe a little, but not enough to be a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobcatFan Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 I dont think it is a huge difference. Ive done plenty of that something on all sizes. I havnt noticed any real difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Contrary to popular opinion Size Matters. And in most skills. Also speed is also a plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questioner Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Speed kills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-guitarist Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Also speed is also a plus. Whoever told you that part was not telling you the truth.... or was really ugly... a-g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiere Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Contrary to popular opinion Size Matters. And in most skills. Unless you're Celerity, you really need to put some sort of evidence for your claim, like "I've tested this." For example, I myself have played a number of different thieves, and while there may have been a bit of a difference, it's a negligible one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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