charge NOT lag the target when it gets countered. Kthxbai
Lets make
Whole-heartedly agree. Minotaurs need SOME kind of weakness.
they get weaknesses. Giants without Phys resist is a good one. My main drag is that you can counter a skill, but take all other effects. I have mentioned it before, but it never was talked about much. It makes no sense why you counter a skill completely (even with a blm predict) and still eat the lag from it.
My arguement is that when a charge is countered, you charge back. IMO this should give the lag. If you counter my charge only to charge me and you are able to do this unlagged, that is unfair. Now the blms counter is a bit different, no arguement there from me, but when is everyone going to get off the topic of charge? The lag was already increased. What's next? Take enhanced damage away from minotaurs?
I see charge counter, as "setting a pike" on the charge. I don't think I see you running at me, then in turn dive at you. I always felt this was a broke system honestly.
Actually Ghrundor has a point.
The lag you suffer is not becuase of the mino charging you, but because you yourself are charging (although if we follow this logic, you will be lagged by anyone charging you, and I don't think that's the case. Then again, I am not 100% sure). Although this seems a bit strange, whether it should be changed I can't decide for myself, I think the person who counters should take at least only half of the lag.
Actually Ghrundor has a point.
The lag you suffer is not becuase of the mino charging you, but because you yourself are charging (although if we follow this logic, you will be lagged by anyone charging you, and I don't think that's the case. Then again, I am not 100% sure). Although this seems a bit strange, whether it should be changed I can't decide for myself, I think the person who counters should take at least only half of the lag.
I believe the person should take some of the lag as well.
Ghrundor, the person already takes two full rounds of lag.
Then wouldn't a predicted slam still lag? A predicted trip, a mantised bash. It is the only skill like that.
Then wouldn't a predicted slam still lag? A predicted trip' date=' a mantised bash. It is the only skill like that.[/quote']
Monks mantis is a different thing.
When you predict bash/trip/whatever you counter and twin counter. Whe you get charged though, you "charge" back. Not much logic tbh, you get lag for one but not for the other.
My problem is normal charge does not do that, only mino charge.
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Normal charge and mino charge are supposed to be different. What is to not understand about that? That is the perk to being a minotaur. Just like some other races have perks.
the mechanics of counter should not fall to bits because something has horns.
the mechanics of counter should not fall to bits because something has horns.
The mechanics of counter cause you to charge back, hence the lag.
If the thing is throwing you up in the air with it's horns, like a bull goring a matador, how can you expect to not have a bit of lag? And I see countering a charge differently per class, at least in my own head.
charge warrior
Warrior sees you coming and drops his weapon low, catching you in the gut.
charge monk
Monk sees you coming, laughs at how slow you are, and flips you onto your *** with a swift kick to the chest.
charge blademaster
Blademaster already realized you were gonna do this, and steps aside at the very perfect moment to crack you with both of his swords, and steps behind you to begin the fight.
I can't believe this whole topic is STILL coming up. Haven't you figured out how to kill Slinore yet?
I can't believe this whole topic is STILL coming up.
And I can't believe you can make so many WRONG assumptions with your examples in one post alone 
you can check forum posts, I have had a problem with charge long before slinore was a horny embryo
And I can't believe you can make so many WRONG assumptions with your examples in one post alone
Riddle me this....
He said that's how he sees it in his head....
How is that wrong?
Besides not really agreeing/disagreeing with the original assumption I have to bring up this point.
You do NOT counter a charge by charging back.....momentum? Anyone?
Better yet, real world example.
Muhammad Ali is charging you at full speed. Do you....
a) Try to get the HELL out of the way and kick him in the nuts so you have a chance to flee?
Charge back!
Note: Muhammad Ali is dead, so he's probably a zombie in this scenario, and will definitely eat your face.
I apologize for the slight derailment, but the whole you charge back thing as dogma made me O.o. I mean, really? You nitpick about THAT?
The problem with that analogy is Muhammad Ali was a counter puncher 
He never did the charging.
The problem with that analogy is Muhammad Ali was a counter puncher
He's a ZOMBIE!
:mad:
Edited for /sarcasm so you don't think I'm REALLY throwing a hissy. lol