Dead Voodoo Doll Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 Your students, staff, families of and for the FL alums. A sad and tragic day of senseless violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 uhhh, what happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Voodoo Doll Posted April 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 So far 20 dead and 28 wounded. Some guy with a gun shot people in the dorms and engineering dept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 www.cnn.com Cant miss the story, pretty sick imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtsoShex Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 My heart goes out to those guys. Seriously uncool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grishnak Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 I'll speak on behalf of any Tech-associated people when I say thank you guys for your thoughts and prayers. It's been a horrific day for everyone, from students living with fear of another attack to friends/family at home worried about loved ones and unable to get calls through. I spent the day in my office calling every friend from Tech I have and making sure they were all right. It may have been some of the longest hours, especially on those calls that I had to leave a voice mail. Please keep the Blacksburg community close to your hearts for the next days and weeks, they will need support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 I actually went to BHS (Blacksburg High), and I know several Tech kids. My heart goes out to them and everyone else on campus. Tech is a huge part of life in that part of the country, I just hope that life can get back to normal and those who need it get any help they may need as quickly as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchaeius Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Everyone is a Hokie today. Our hearts and prayers go out to those who lost loved ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questioner Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 32 students dead. 32 sons and daughters relinquished from this world to never be able to fulfill their dreams. I need to pk someone--now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobson Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT agree, condone, support or take away from the tragedy of V-Tech but I have to say something. If you don't want to read this, please don't. You know, I deal with death every single day. We all do, in one form or another. But I see what few are forced to view every day, murder. I have seen crimes of passion, pleasure and guilt. But what was V-Tech? Look at what he did and why. He had a mental disorder maybe, he had (clinical) depression maybe, but what do we know for fact? That he thought, for one reason or another, that he only had one way out. We all know one, we may be one, someone who was picked on during school and even afterwards. Someone who didn't fit in for whatever reason, who tried so hard to fit in, to be liked and accepted. But what is done to them? They are laughed at, persicuted, harassed and even tortured by their peers. This is the real tragedy. This is the real crime. This is the reason. I am the reason, We are the reason, you are the reason. We are people...we are strong, but we are cruel. Discuss, discredit, destroy, but this is how I feel, broken and confused inside and so I will not even try and edit this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 He had a mental disorder maybe, he had (clinical) depression maybe, but what do we know for fact? That he thought, for one reason or another, that he only had one way out. We all know one, we may be one, someone who was picked on during school and even afterwards. Someone who didn't fit in for whatever reason, who tried so hard to fit in, to be liked and accepted. But what is done to them? They are laughed at, persicuted, harassed and even tortured by their peers. This is the real tragedy. This is the real crime. This is the reason. I am the reason, We are the reason, you are the reason. Discuss, discredit, destroy, but this is how I feel, broken and confused inside and so I will not even try and edit this. A) I was picked on during school. I was beat up in school. I had to take two weeks off because I was beat up so badly. My teeth were chipped, I had a concussion, and my eyes were nearly swollen shut. Know what? I got over it. I became stronger. I found others like me. I found outlets. When someone doesn't like you, just accept it. And give them the one finger salute. I don't believe in about half of the mental "diseases". They've been taken too far and too many people who get sad are "depressed" or "bi-polar". C) Maybe you should consider seeing your departments shrink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questioner Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 He was an evil person. End of story and debate. He planned this killing with long thought. This is not the work of a psychotic freak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobson Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 If you can say that when you got the snot beat out of you that you didn't want revenge, it is human nature to "get back" at people. You simply had the self control and ability not to act on it. What if is all I am saying, what if it had been you, what if they had left you crippled and useless, what if you hadn't found that outlet, would it be your fault? 6 month evaluations, monthly if you get a high stress post like traffic or booking. I am fine, I simply can't listen to one more girl on CNN go that she hated him and knew he was evil...I can't stand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobson Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 He was an evil person. End of story and debate. He planned this killing with long thought. This is not the work of a psychotic freak. This statement was made out of anger and grief, understandable. This is the raw emotions he was dealing with, can you not understand that at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questioner Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 rant/ No, in your points and defense of the south korean kid, he had no excuse what so ever. In truth, I completely agree that he was ostracized, beaten, made fun of, mentally abused. But this is not something rare in the world we live in. Everyone gets hurt. Everyone gets ostracized at some point. Everyone feels lonely at some time. He would not open up to people who opened up to him. When people attempted to greet him, he ignored them. Even if he did believe they were trying to tease him, there is no sense in not saying a greeting in return. I am asian, just as he is. The family honor has a lot to do with our mental strength and well-being. Look at what he was going to major in. English. South Koreans would not settle for anything lower than a major in Engineering. His poems were horrific. He was creepy in class, a stalker. He would take pictures of students underneath his desk. Eventually students did not feel safe in class and sent in their homework via email. This student killed two students, created a tape where he rambled on about his complaints, then walked to the Engineering building and shot as many people as he could. Tell me that this kid was a poor innocent victim of society. Seriously, please do. Because look at who taught him that the rich were bad and always take advantage of the lower class. Teachers. Every god dam liberal hippy one of them. Yeah that may be a bit biased, but it is absolutely true. Even in elementary school we are taught that the rich business men never help out the poor. But we are never told that the poor just don't have the will power to take what is given to them and do something with their lives. /rant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Voodoo Doll Posted April 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 rant/ No, in your points and defense of the south korean kid, he had no excuse what so ever. In truth, I completely agree that he was ostracized, beaten, made fun of, mentally abused. But this is not something rare in the world we live in. Everyone gets hurt. Everyone gets ostracized at some point. Everyone feels lonely at some time. He would not open up to people who opened up to him. When people attempted to greet him, he ignored them. Even if he did believe they were trying to tease him, there is no sense in not saying a greeting in return. I am asian, just as he is. The family honor has a lot to do with our mental strength and well-being. Look at what he was going to major in. English. South Koreans would not settle for anything lower than a major in Engineering. His poems were horrific. He was creepy in class, a stalker. He would take pictures of students underneath his desk. Eventually students did not feel safe in class and sent in their homework via email. This student killed two students, created a tape where he rambled on about his complaints, then walked to the Engineering building and shot as many people as he could. Tell me that this kid was a poor innocent victim of society. Seriously, please do. Because look at who taught him that the rich were bad and always take advantage of the lower class. Teachers. Every god dam liberal hippy one of them. Yeah that may be a bit biased, but it is absolutely true. Even in elementary school we are taught that the rich business men never help out the poor. But we are never told that the poor just don't have the will power to take what is given to them and do something with their lives. /rant well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobson Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 I am NOT, NOT saying that what he did was right, I am NOT SAYING IT WAS OKAY, I am NOT making excuses for him. I am saying that we are blind to things like this, before it happens. They pushed him aside and didn't care. There were so many warning signs as a precursor to his "rage". The simple fact that he made those tapes, had thought about it for a long long time (3 years) means that he was FIGHTING those thoughts, that he was TRYING to do something other than what he did. You sit there, you sit there and think about how many thugs kill random people in drive by's. Tell me how many punk kids get the idea hey, let's beat this kid and rob him. Do they stop the first time the thought pops in their heads and say let's not do it? How about the frat boys who go out and use date rape drugs on women because they want to, because someone at the party brought pills and there was opportunity. All of these acts are wrong, horribly wrong but how can you distinguish one from the other? How can you say that what he did, when he fought the urge to do it for years, is worse than what they did out of a whim? No, I think that he was a lost child. Abandoned by society who hoped that he would "grow" out of his hole like everyone else. He may have tried, maybe he didn't, but I am sure that we failed him, as much as he failed himself. As much as he let himself fall from the standards he wanted for himself. As much as he expected of himself. Take your anger, your rage, your opposition to his acts.....but learn from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 First, a reminder to all: Trying to find out why Cho acted as he did does not mean that anyone is excusing his actions or saying that they are justified. I hate it when people mistake a reason for an action to be an excuse for that action. This kid was, to an extent, a victim of society. Maybe it's hard for some people to understand, but not everyone who is ostracized by their peers finds friends that'll help them with it or has a family that is able to do so. If you've spent your entire life in isolation, it becomes incredibly difficult to learn to open up and talk to people. I personally am still feeling the affects of the crap I had thrown at me as a kid (crap that had the shrink I talked to over my parents' divorce amazed that I was still mentally stable), and my social skills, while much improved, have a long way to go yet. Thing is, I got lucky. Not everybody can handle this ****. Not everyone has the same stress tolerances. Questioner mentions that everybody has **** thrown at them "sometime", but the thing is, there are kids who have it thrown at them ALL the time. It's not always one or two or three bullies causing trouble, sometimes it's the entire class you're in. What do you do in that situation? You withdraw into yourself, just like I did. You find your own little worlds to escape into. You stop responding because you stop seeing a point to doing so. Your view of reality gets changed to one where everyone is either hostile or uncaring. I get this. I've HAD this. I understand the desire to just rip apart half the people in my class for the **** they did to me because I've been there. Did I do it? No. I came very, very close to suicide a couple times, but I got lucky and managed to find a couple of good friends (and by couple, I literally mean two). If I hadn't, I might've ended up in the same situation Cho did. So forgive me for not laying all the blame on this kid, because I know the kind of **** he went through, and I know how close I came to being in his shoes. Again, is this an excuse? No. His actions were wrong, no question, and had he survived I would have no problem with putting him away for the rest of his life along with giving him psychiatric care (I'm not talking medication, I'm talking real therapy). But to ignore the reasons behind this is to invite it to happen again. You have to learn from history in order to not repeat it. If all that happens from this is that one kid somewhere is just a bit nicer to an outcast, that might be enough to stop us from having another VaTech or Columbine. EDIT: Dobson, you and I need to stop agreeing on stuff. It's creepy. ^_~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corpsestomp Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 For a long time, I would have agreed with people on the fact that depression is fake. But honestly, it's not. I've never been diagnosed, but I'm pretty sure I have it. It's like trying to dig your way out of quicksand. You try and try to make yourself be happy again, but nothing ever helps. For me, it comes and goes, but when I get in a funk, I basically piss of everyone around me because I get mad about being sad, so I'm very prone to yelling and being downright pissy with anyone who tries talking to me. Depression can make you feel really, really bad about everything for a long time. I can't imagine killing people because of it, but I know it can get you thinking that everything is generally hopeless, which gets you on the subject of suicide, real quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobson Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 :eek: WOW, we a....ag......agree.....somewhat...without a deathmatch? ::::::::::Speechless::::::::::::: Sorry I had to bring it up, but I was reading something that made me want to vomit and I had to vent. Not the best idea to talk to your fellow police officer about it, they WILL send you to a shrink or call you an idiot. Both of which are rather nasty. And in case you were wondering, it is a general understanding that if you shoot at a cop, you die. Thus why they all don't have outward opinions, they all wanted him dead and they got what they wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 All right, we have to do something about this you... PIG! OINK OINK! ^_~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobson Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 All right' date=' we have to do something about this you... PIG! OINK OINK! ^_~[/quote'] Immature ****er! ahhh....much better. ****ER IS EDITED? w a n k e r? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questioner Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 The thread is officially off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 For a second, I thought the blocked out part was stoner. ^_~ And every thread on this forum gets derailed at some point. If you'd like to continue the original topic, please, post your thoughts, and I'll respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyeSeeU Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 I haven't said anything yet, however you cannot blame the kid entirely, what about the judge and the school's board who ignored the fact that he was mentally ill and continued to let him go to the school despite those police reports and such of him stalking girls and other things. How ignorant can we as a society be in thinking oh its nothing he'll be fine and then continue to ignore the situation. The blame can be passed around, and it should be. Also I am not defending anyone here, just stating my peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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