a-guitarist Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 You are introducing a foreign chemical into your body that affects your brain and other organs. Why is it so hard to believe that it doesn't cause changes? Most medication that is prescribed (antidepressants, antihistamines, etc.) cause long term, sometimes permanent, damage to the taken when used over long periods of time. It is ridiculous to think that pot makes you a "safer" person. All your studies can say otherwise, but take this study.... Bike helmets make you less safe If you don't want to read the link, how about I summarize. They say that study have proven that wearing a bicycle helmet increases your chance of being hit by a car. Just because something says one thing, doesn't make it a good idea to do it. If you're going to be biking a long *** way across the country, are you not going to wear a helmet? Nope. You'd be an idiot not to. If you're going to be driving a long *** way, in a car, across the country, are you going to be doing whilst your a giggling, drooling stoner? I mean, studies have "proven" you get into less accidents, right? I never studied in high school and I was always getting good grades, most of the time better than those who did study. Then I discovered pot. Bingo. Grades went through the basement, and I became increasingly more depressed. Add in the awe inspiring increase in paranoia (Yes, true, maybe it was because I was a paranoid schizophrenic), and I can see nothing good coming of it. How about a little more personal experience. Everyone I know that smokes pot, and when I was doing it regularly included, was less reliable, cared less for other people, would ditch family/friends to smoke their stuff, got too lazy to even drive to the store to buy pet food to feed their animals, and let their places of residence crumble into a pen of filth. You can say all you want that "That's just the people they are, not everyone is like that, blah blah blah." but it isn't going to work on me, because 95% of people I know who does this or did that, ended up the way I described. Basically, this kind of stuff never ends well on the forums here. I just wish that it could be pushed aside from here on out. Minor hints to this are okay, in my book, at least, but a whole thread dedicated to a war between those who smoke it and those who do not is going to cause trouble and probably get people banned. I say, let the potheads pothead themselves up. So long as they don't do it around me, and don't cry to mean when they are 20 bucks short for their electric bill but have a new bag of their idiot plant next to them. And let the over anxious, stressed out nonsmokers do whatever they want to do. So long as they don't vent on me because they can't find a better way to release their stress. a-g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 I smoke from time to time. It makes normal things a little more interesting and can make for a good time, given the right crowd of people and entertainment. Yes, it is scientifically proven that it is not good for you in the long-run. But so are so many other things. You only live once. Why are we as people so hung-up on what is good for us or bad for us in the long run? Live for today, people. It could be all you have left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 You can find a study on the internet to refute or support any damn thing. Unlike any other illegal subtance on the "market" Marijuana has some uniqe points. It is the ONLY illegal drug that entered society in a form other than an epidemic. Heck cocaine was used to gimic people into buying "Joe's wonderful cure-all" for years, and infected thousands with destructive addiction before ever being made illegal. MDMA and others all share the same history of introduction as a legal substance then the discovery that they are destructive...Marijuana has never achieved this epidemic stature. Also in regards to Marijuana, the herb itself doesnt ruin lives...the government's stance does. I know succesful people who have smoked almost their entire lives, and I am not talking succesful as in woot they have a job...I am talking succesful buisness owners and VP's. I also know of very good honest individuals who are caught on their first time and lose their jobs and get put in Jail, then when they emerged were worse thugs than they ever would have been if they were just left alone. There is much about the drug that falls into the realm of fabircated fact, so much so in fact that its difficult to asertain what is real and what isnt anymore. The US Government, at least has , initiated smear camapaigns since Nixon (who started the whole mess) that contain about as much truth as OJ Simpsons' verdict. Want a fact? Amsterdam has legalized marijuana and shrooms as well I believe. Their stance on other substances is also HARDER than any other nation I know of. The result? a competitivly low crime rate and one of the smallest drug problems in the world. Is smoking herb harmful? yeah...so is smoking cigarettes, and eating to much pork, and breathing in LA...all about the same...Marijuana is the victim of a blanket political move by a dieing political party hoping to resusitate itself by taking a strong stance on anything it could back in Nixon's term and of course of any president Nixon ya know was real good at judgement calls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfdude Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 All the negative effects in this thread have been overblown. I don't understand why people have such a hardon for being so negative about one thing that honestly has very little side effects compared to legal substances as alcohol and cigarettes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 A-G, I'm sorry to say this, but your experiences do not match mine. Have I met a bunch of unreliable idiot stoners in the time since I've started smoking? Hell yes. However, I've also met a ton of amazing people who smoke all the time too, and still do well in school, don't get into trouble, nor do stupid things (well, no more than plenty of non-stoners I've known anyways), and THEIR numbers are greater than the idiots. Why? Because of where I am: college. Live somewhere that has a lower standard of education and income and you will find more losers and lowlifes, whether they are potheads or not. And there are people who simply should NOT smoke. People with paranoid schizophrenia being near the top of that list. Me, I never get paranoid from smoking... in fact, I find myself far more relaxed after doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 the line about giggling and drooling is the best in AG's post....since stoners dont drool..they get cotton mouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 the line about giggling and drooling is the best in AG's post....since stoners dont drool..they get cotton mouth So true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Everyone reacts differently to chemical level influxes/decreases in the brain. Like Pali said, there are some people who simply cannot function while high on marijuana. I've seen people like that. The "Giggling drooling" idiots, I think is how a-g put it. I got high everyday before high school. I graduated Student of the Program in Cisco Networking my Senior year. I was given Student of the Year awards at my graduation. Ask any of my teachers and they will tell you I was the brightest student they ever had the pleasure of teaching. There are many cases like mine, just like there are many cases like a-g. The fact is that no one is wrong. And no one is right. There are plenty of people who function fine while high. And there are a good number of people who don't function well at all. Our government feels that that number of people who can't handle being high, but do it anyway, is enough to completely outlaw the substance, in what they feel is the best way to protect the rest of the country. One bad apples spoils the bunch, or something like that. Does that suck for those of us who can handle the drug, do it responsibly, and not let it ruin our lives or the lives of those around us? Sure as hell does. However, I still smoke pot, just like alot of you. And I'm not in jail because of it. We still use it responsibly (at least I do) The people who don't use it responsibly and can't handle it in the first place are the reason why there is such a social taboo about that damned thing. You hear all the stories about the drug dealers shooting and the high guy who ran into the little girl on his motorcycle or the two guys who jacked somebodys house while they were high. But you don't hear about the normal people living their everyday lives, doing what they always do, and doing it perfectly fine.........while staying blazed 24/7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crucial Posted June 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 How about this one, Mary jane damages brain cells, Brain cells cannot reproduce but they can repair. Alcohol Burst brain cells, pop pop fiz fiz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBwillie Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 im so over this debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-guitarist Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 I am sorry that my statement made you feel that I was of the mind that everyone that smokes it is not a productive member of society. But, as with all things, I have not meet one person who does such things and is a productive member of society by my idea of one. When I do meet one, I'll make them the exception to the rule. And, when I meet a majority of more, my stance will change. However, I highly doubt that day will come. If it does, I will let you all know. Further more, as I am a loser and lowlife, doomed to such by my economic and educational standards, I will no longer post is this thread. You all have my promise to not post in anymore threads about this topic. a-g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Well that doesn't make this any fun......poop. I always love a good debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 We know that, Calron. We accept it. And A-G, I think you missed my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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