savnt Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Now I don't know if you will need to delete this. But I really would like Chayesh to get a look at this before it happens, and possibly a few players comments on it. I see the current site as very difficult to navigate, and having high load times and ... the music. I was bored last night, and made a streamlined basic sight with a bunch of options, but still kept within a minimal amount of loading time. It is also very pleasing to the eye, at least for me. I am offering it as a site design or even something to pick off of. If you don't want it here, that is fine. I just would really like some opinions and whatnot. If it would be fine to follow through with it without stepping on toes, I would remove whatever you don't want on there. I would appreciate any comments on it. MODERATED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajindaar Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 IMHO, a more diplomatic approach would have been to post this on the prayers forum first... but then again, what do I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savnt Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 I was hoping to get some feedback going about the design by the players as well as the staff... for the sake of possibly helping Chay decide if it is something that is good or bad. As the creator of the current website, me things he might be a little partial to the current website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajindaar Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Straight forward navigation focused on direct content access, no gadgets (except of the java chat), feedback via server-based script -- all good things to have, at least in my book (I'm quite a purist myself). Though, the design doesn't really provide the look and feel of a dark, bloodthirsty playerkilling game community. Nor does your code provide any HTML DTD references. The idea with the skill/spell search engine is a nice goodie; though linking to an external source not completely overlapping with the FL documentation just to be able to provide a search engine is something I don't really appreciate. Instead, I'd rather put up some static help files first, then advance to a search functionality (not to mention breaking out of your site's style, navigation,etc). Regarding parts of the content, as well as yet another unmoderated forum and strong referrence to AR, I'd prefer to not comment on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savnt Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Well, the forum can be removed, I was just messing with php. The purpose of all of this is sort of a quickie model. The reference to AR was basically my shock after having a look at their site. It is amazing how one can make their mud look with a couple bells and whistles website wise. It is really a beautiful site. Still overall.. a very ooc heavy rp light mud... but none the less. Still some updates are cool there. I was pointing out that it is a shame, with a codebase so similar, sharing or banter isn't an option between the admins. I would consider it more opensource strong references. I am not sure I understand the external source comment. I just don't have the manpower or the time to create and put to print their text files. Inputting the already present help files in to a database would be extremely helpful... but I have no access to that, leaving the site high an dry. I just tried to nab the next best thing. Would you suggest that remove as well? Oh, and the design not having a bloodthirsty sort of design. Would a different colorscheme help, or are you talking graphics... or even a different navigation method? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajindaar Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Like I said, I shall refrain from commenting on the content, but just the 'look&feel' of the site. No toe-stepping or something remotely that way intended. Importing the help file source into a small database with a php interface should be little to no problem if the technical and human resources permit. Oh, and btw, perhaps slightly increasing the cellpadding on the race/class/... tables and removing the soft line-break after the table cell's content would add to a more 'balanced out' look of the table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savnt Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 No toestepping taken at all. Before nabbing their help file, I would probably do well to ask them first. But if I was to do that, I might as well take a few days and just compile the old fl help file I have. I just put this thing up overnight when I saw yahoo giving away 1.99 domain names. You've a point though, outside sources = teh bad. As to the tables, you're probably right. I am going to take a look at them when I wake up and am a bit more able to comprehend and size things. I am just a speeddemon style of website fan. Always have been. You're suggestions are super-duper appreciated. Any more would be as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aulian Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Hrmmm.. Im not sure. Ok, Its tidy, but a little bland. The site basically, whilst easy to navigate, has 0 impact. I actually thought it hadn't loaded when it did lol.. I like the content. The code provided is a little, shall we say mixed feelings but hey, its out there. The table of races and classes and the cabal table I thought were brilliant. Hmmm its late.. Need more thinking time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tantangel Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 I'll have to say that the lack of any real graphics or anything kind of sucks, but otherwise very easy to navigate. Has everything right up front though I'm sure AR wouldn't really care for a FL site leaching off of it (I'm sure a lot of people over there are still a tad cheased of things). Maybe add a few graphics or something to make it more FL oriented, kind of give it a feel of how we really are. Like add in a pair of fantasy based classes fighting one another (though Star Wars fights might depict it best, it might also give the wrong impression to new people coming in). I always missed the help files on the website, and all the classes and their skillset/spellset listed as well as to what rank they got them at because it helped me a lot in choosing what I was going to play next when I was first starting (wished sometimes even now the same thing so I didn't have to create and waste time making something when all I would've had to do was look on the site). That and the part at the bottom saying if you offended someone that you're sorry. Be an ***, who cares if you offend. It's not like you put up derogitory **** up and said how much you hate people of this color or this religion. If you offend someone based off what you put up, they can eat it. I also like how you have the source up, I found it a few weeks ago by just doing a google search, and unlike the original put up by Viri you have to actually open it up with some program before being able to view anything. That means not everyone could just open it up and look at the code, they'd have to actually find a means of opening it up in Linux or some other various program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H&R Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 I can't see it as a potential official website, but GOOD JOB. The information on races, classes and cabals is very newbie friendly and covers even more than the basics. Also, I think your comment about people not wanting to share information is a bit childish. Perhaps write what your site really contains instead? Again, good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savnt Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Thanks for the comments so far... very helpful. I am deciding whether to put up a test port again or not... and also there might be a fl utility pack on its way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 It's just the hip new thing the mud needs. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savnt Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 I've gotten some great suggestions and offers so far, as art and content go. More then eleven people have offered content. Please... if you feel you've got something you would like to throw up... just let me know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGuy Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 It has a cleaner design than the other FL homepage. But designwise, it doesn't look like the website of a cruel world lika aabahran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crucial Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 yeah, I liked crypt/viri gothic take on what death and destruction does to a fantasy world. wheres the lightning bolts? Very nice though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savnt Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Lucky I have a designer from an art school working on a new design for the content This is coming together nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchaeius Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 We would not offer the code on our website. You already know this. In the future, please pass these type of things along the prayer forum before posting on the main forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savnt Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 So I cannot link the site here anymore? The site as it stands is simply intended to get the users to submit content to later be taken over. From design to information within. When taken over, of course you could remove anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tantangel Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Losing battle with the whole code thing. They'll never (unless they end up changing ownership again and then they might not let it be posted either) allow the code to be posted on the game or the forum or the website. If you remove the downloadable code though, they might let you post the site again. Even the recent two threads about the code were locked, that might be a good indicator that they wouldn't want it posted on a link someone posts on the forum because they don't want it for whatever reasons they have available on this site or links posted on the forum (Mudmagic not included). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGuy Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 Ah, so it is that crap again. I didnt look around that much, so I didnt reallize the code was there. Why keep this crap comming when you know the staff doesnt approve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tantangel Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 I just noticed it also had a chat program. Though AIM and such isn't really banned from use of FL players, it's not exactly looked highly at. Though people may be more 'mature' to a point, they aren't ever going to be mature enough to use a chat form in large groups because they'll be way OOC with it. Remember IRC chat room that was created a few years ago? I could see it going that way real fast. Remove the chat and the code and it might be good to go for Imms at least. As for changes, races need to be changed slightly. Tiny isn't really a vuln so much as it is a drawback, nor is autorages. Undead for classes isn't all death, it'd be all classes, human as a race to begin with and must follow death religion. Avatar should be all races that are Good and follow Purity. For classes, all quest classes shouldn't even be posted (same goes for races) for how much their exp penalty is even if it is an 'ish' amount. Description of classes shouldn't entail on how the class is so much as what they're about. IE: Vampire, the Undead beings that plague the night, not what currently it is. As far as I know, Tribunal allows all races/classes that are Lawful ethos, not just any ethos. As for difficulty, I don't think it should be even mentioned, it's rather pointless as they can all be difficult if you have more than one vendetta at a time and both of them are active Cabals. Should have a races list as well that are allowed. Maybe a link to the old forum as well would be nice. And no unofficial forum is really needed in the sense that people can use different names from this forum and abide by basically no rules as long as they aren't forming gang bangs. The idea of having a nifty site is nice and all, but I think you might have added a tad bit too much of the things the Imms don't want to be revealed, even if they have been in the past, they don't need to be repeated over and over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 Why didnt anyone post a link to his site ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGuy Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 He did, bt the imms removed it because the site contains the FL code. And the imms doesnt want to link to the code at the official forum. So I woudl edit that away if I were you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 Mya, ur so dumb lmao i love you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBwillie Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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