Manual Labour Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 This was my one and only pdeath on the character. Kudos to Puerilaug for being the one to get me. I had a huge bounty on my head and didn't have enough CP to get out of the #1 spot AND buy it off, plus I wanted to fight him anyway. We went back and forth for about an hour and we both made the other flee a bunch but nobody could secure a kill. Finally we went at it again and everything went right for him, a solid collection. We are fighting in Haon Dor and so I wanted to try and land some mals on him in wolf form. Puerilaug's digestion misses a shadow. Puerilaug's form blurs with speed! Puerilaug's strike grazes a shadow. A shadow's flesh is seared by the flaming the bone cane of Wohpat adorned with a glowing ember. Puerilaug's flaming bite grazes a shadow. 25334 Gold - 23 Time - D [1234|1267]HP <583|759>MP {535|553}MV [Exits: N S] You bury your teeth in Puerilaug's face. Puerilaug appears to be blinded. Your tear injures Puerilaug. Puerilaug has some small wounds and bruises. 25334 Gold - 23 Time - D [1234|1267]HP <583|759>MP {535|553}MV [Exits: N S] a shadow: [99] A mummy jumps in front of Puerilaug! Puerilaug's digestion misses a shadow. Puerilaug's form blurs with speed! Puerilaug's strike misses a shadow. A mummy jumps in front of Puerilaug! Puerilaug has some small wounds and bruises. 25334 Gold - 23 Time - D [1234|1267]HP <583|759>MP {535|553}MV [Exits: N S] a shadow: [99] tear puer Puerilaug has fled! 25334 Gold - 23 Time - D [1234|1267]HP <583|759>MP {535|553}MV [Exits: N S] They aren't here. 25334 Gold - 23 Time - D [1234|1267]HP <583|759>MP {535|553}MV [Exits: N S] sca You scan all around. You scan north. *** Range 1 (north) *** (Charmed) (White Aura) A stone golem stands here to do his master's bidding. (Charmed) (White Aura) A zombie, covered in rotted skin, stands here with its master. (Charmed) (White Aura) A flesh golem stands here to do his master's bidding. (Charmed) (White Aura) A mummy shambles around with its master. (Charmed) (White Aura) A dirty, old skeleton stands here with its master. (WANTED) (White Aura) Puerilaug the Digger of Trenches, Master of the Dead is here. A large, grey wolf is here, glaring hungrily at you. A group of druids wanders about. You scan east. You scan south. You scan west. You scan up. You scan down. 25334 Gold - 23 Time - D [1234|1267]HP <583|759>MP {535|553}MV [Exits: N S] n tear puer A narrow trail through the deep, dark forest You are on a dusty trail winding its way east-west between huge, ancient trees whose grey trunks remind you of ancient pillars in a enormous, deserted hall. To the south, an faint path leads away from the trail. [Exits: east south west] [NEXUS] [||||||](2) A Nexus Gateway crackles with hellish heat and unholy magics. (Charmed) (White Aura) A stone golem stands here to do his master's bidding. (Charmed) (White Aura) A zombie, covered in rotted skin, stands here with its master. (Charmed) (White Aura) A flesh golem stands here to do his master's bidding. (Charmed) (White Aura) A mummy shambles around with its master. (Charmed) (White Aura) A dirty, old skeleton stands here with its master. (WANTED) (White Aura) Puerilaug the Digger of Trenches, Master of the Dead is here. A large, grey wolf is here, glaring hungrily at you. A group of druids wanders about. 25334 Gold - 23 Time - D [1234|1267]HP <583|759>MP {533|553}MV [Exits: E S W] Your teeth tear deeply into Puerilaug's flesh. Puerilaug seems to be unaffected. Your tear maims Puerilaug! Puerilaug has some small wounds and bruises. 25334 Gold - 23 Time - D [1234|1267]HP <583|759>MP {533|553}MV [Exits: E S W] Despeynia: [97] Puerilaug has fled! 25334 Gold - 23 Time - D [1234|1267]HP <583|759>MP {533|553}MV [Exits: E S W] TICK IN 5 SECONDS. sca You scan all around. You scan north. You scan east. *** Range 1 (east) *** (Invisible) Shargugh the Forest Brownie is here, grinning broadly at you. *** Range 4 (east) *** A group of druids wanders about. You scan south. You scan west. *** Range 1 (west) *** (Charmed) A dirty, old skeleton stands here with its master. (Charmed) A mummy shambles around with its master. (Charmed) (White Aura) A flesh golem stands here to do his master's bidding. (Charmed) A zombie, covered in rotted skin, stands here with its master. (Charmed) (White Aura) A stone golem stands here to do his master's bidding. (WANTED) Puerilaug the Digger of Trenches, Master of the Dead is here. You scan up. You scan down. 25334 Gold - 0 Time - D Timer now at 28 secs. [1267|1267]HP <612|759>MP {553|553}MV [Exits: E S W] w tear puer A narrow trail through the deep, dark forest You are on a dusty trail winding its way east-west between huge, ancient trees that stand close on all sides. Not a sound is to be heard - everything is ominously quiet. [Exits: east west] (Charmed) A dirty, old skeleton stands here with its master. (Charmed) A mummy shambles around with its master. (Charmed) (White Aura) A flesh golem stands here to do his master's bidding. (Charmed) A zombie, covered in rotted skin, stands here with its master. (Charmed) (White Aura) A stone golem stands here to do his master's bidding. (WANTED) Puerilaug the Digger of Trenches, Master of the Dead is here. 25334 Gold - 0 Time - D [1267|1267]HP <612|759>MP {551|553}MV [Exits: E W] Puerilaug holds a glimmering white staff in his hand. 25334 Gold - 0 Time - D [1267|1267]HP <612|759>MP {551|553}MV [Exits: E W] Puerilaug brandishes a glimmering white staff. A skeleton is surrounded by a white aura. A mummy is surrounded by a white aura. A zombie is surrounded by a white aura. Puerilaug is surrounded by a white aura. Your teeth tear deeply into Puerilaug's flesh. Puerilaug seems to be unaffected. Your tear decimates Puerilaug! Puerilaug has some small wounds and bruises. This is the beginning of the end. I enter a tear but dont get anything for it. 25334 Gold - 0 Time - D [1267|1267]HP <612|759>MP {551|553}MV [Exits: E W] Despeynia: [100] Puerilaug's digestion hits you. Puerilaug's form blurs with speed! Puerilaug's strike misses you. A winged water dragon breathes forth a shard of ice! Puerilaug conjures a magical bolt of ice and launches it at you. Puerilaug's icicle hits you. You dodge A skeleton's attack. Confident in your enviroment, you easily evade the blow. A skeleton's cleave misses you. You dodge A skeleton's attack. You dodge A skeleton's attack. Confident in your enviroment, you easily evade the blow. A flesh golem's slash misses you. A zombie's beating mauls you. Confident in your enviroment, you easily evade the blow. A zombie's beating misses you. A zombie kicks dirt in your eyes! A zombie's kicked dirt scratches you. You can't see a thing! Someone jumps in front of someone! A nice dirt by his skeleton. 25334 Gold - 0 Time - D [1222|1267]HP <612|759>MP {551|553}MV [Exits: --- ] Despeynia: [96] Confident in your enviroment, you easily evade the blow. Someone's pierce misses you. Someone's disease is powerless against you. Someone's disease is powerless against you. Someone's disease is powerless against you. Someone's disease is powerless against you. <--- Thank god I am immune to that attack or this woulda been over even sooner, Someone's digestion misses you. Something sears your flesh with flames. Someone's flaming bite scratches you. Someone's cleave injures you. Someone's cleave wounds you. You dodge someone's attack. You dodge someone's attack. Confident in your enviroment, you easily evade the blow. Someone's slash misses you. Confident in your enviroment, you easily evade the blow. Someone's beating misses you. Someone jumps in front of someone! 25334 Gold - 0 Time - D [1186|1267]HP <612|759>MP {551|553}MV [Exits: --- ] Despeynia: [93] Someone stops using something. 25334 Gold - 0 Time - D [1186|1267]HP <612|759>MP {551|553}MV [Exits: --- ] Despeynia: [93] tear As the lag from my previous tear is just about to end, I put another one in. I am very healthy and not concerned at this point. Someone wears something as a shield. 25334 Gold - 0 Time - D [1186|1267]HP <612|759>MP {551|553}MV [Exits: --- ] Despeynia: [93] Someone utters the words, 'eugszr waouq'. The white aura around your body fades. You can no longer sense magical auras. You slowly float to the ground. Then this happens, yikes, very well timed by him. He had failed all his previous dispel attempts. I was rolling with around -40 mental saves and the ring of abyss so I did not respect dispel. If I had not entered tear I had a small window to flee, but even one failed flee and I was done because as you will see the lag lock begins right away. 25334 Gold - 0 Time - D [1186|1267]HP <612|759>MP {551|553}MV [Exits: --- ] Despeynia: [93] You bury your teeth in someone's face. Someone appears to be blinded. Your tear devastates someone! At least I blinded him...Not that it mattered. 25334 Gold - 0 Time - D [1186|1267]HP <612|759>MP {551|553}MV [Exits: --- ] Despeynia: [93] You dodge someone's attack. Someone's disease is powerless against you. Someone's disease is powerless against you. Confident in your enviroment, you easily evade the blow. Someone's disease is powerless against you. Someone's disease is powerless against you. Someone's digestion misses you. A winged water dragon breathes forth a shard of ice! Someone conjures a magical bolt of ice and launches it at you. Someone's icicle wounds you. Something sears your flesh with flames. Someone's flaming bite hits you. Someone's cleave decimates you! Someone's cleave maims you! Someone's cleave maims you! You dodge someone's attack. Someone trips you and you go down! <---- Round 1, Trip 1 Someone's trip scratches you. Confident in your enviroment, you easily evade the blow. Someone's beating misses you. You dodge someone's attack. Your claw wounds someone. Someone parries your attack. Someone parries your attack. Someone parries your attack. Someone parries your attack. You tear a big chunk of someone's flesh out with your slavering teeth. Someone looks very ill. Your bite mauls someone. The Powerspring glows and with a buzz Adeptus's Upper Arms begin to rotate! Adeptus's Upper Arms drill punches injure Puerilaug. 25334 Gold - 0 Time - D [1064|1267]HP <612|759>MP {551|553}MV [Exits: --- ] Despeynia: [83] f <---- I enter a flee anyway, maybe I'll get lucky Someone utters the words, 'aque bragh'. Someone's acid blast DISMEMBERS you! 25334 Gold - 0 Time - D [1001|1267]HP <612|759>MP {551|553}MV [Exits: --- ] Despeynia: [79] You dodge someone's attack. Someone trips you and you go down! <--- Round 2, Trip 2 Someone's trip scratches you. Someone's disease is powerless against you. Someone's disease is powerless against you. Someone's disease is powerless against you. Confident in your enviroment, you easily evade the blow. Someone's disease is powerless against you. Someone trips you and you go down! <--- Round 2, Trip 3 Someone's trip scratches you. Your poison grazes someone. Confident in your enviroment, you easily evade the blow. Someone's digestion misses you. Someone's form blurs with speed! Someone's strike misses you. Something sears your flesh with flames. Someone's flaming bite hits you. Someone's cleave devastates you! You dodge someone's attack. Confident in your enviroment, you easily evade the blow. Someone's cleave misses you. You dodge someone's attack. Someone's slash misses you. Someone's beating MUTILATES you! Someone's beating MUTILATES you! Someone jumps in front of someone! 25334 Gold - 0 Time - D [877|1267]HP <612|759>MP {551|553}MV [Exits: --- ] Despeynia: [69] Someone utters the words, 'aque bragh'. Someone's acid blast *** DEMOLISHES *** you! 25334 Gold - 0 Time - D [752|1267]HP <612|759>MP {551|553}MV [Exits: --- ] Despeynia: [59] You dodge someone's attack. Someone's disease is powerless against you. Someone's disease is powerless against you. Confident in your enviroment, you easily evade the blow. Someone's disease is powerless against you. You dodge someone's attack. Your poison grazes someone. Confident in your enviroment, you easily evade the blow. Someone's digestion misses you. Someone's form blurs with speed! Someone's strike grazes you. Someone's cleave devastates you! Confident in your enviroment, you easily evade the blow. Someone's cleave misses you. Confident in your enviroment, you easily evade the blow. Someone's cleave misses you. Confident in your enviroment, you easily evade the blow. Someone's cleave misses you. Someone's slash wounds you. Someone trips you and you go down! <--- Round 3, Trip 4 Someone's trip scratches you. Someone's beating DISMEMBERS you! Someone's beating DISMEMBERS you! Someone parries your attack. Someone parries your attack. Your claw wounds someone. Someone parries your attack. Your bite wounds someone. Someone parries your attack. A snarling skull pendant glimmers with a divine intensity. You are already shielded from harm. 25334 Gold - 0 Time - D [583|1267]HP <612|759>MP {551|553}MV [Exits: --- ] Despeynia: [46] You hear something howling nearby. 25334 Gold - 0 Time - D [583|1267]HP <612|759>MP {551|553}MV [Exits: --- ] Despeynia: [46] Someone utters the words, 'aque bragh'. Someone's acid blast DISMEMBERS you! 25334 Gold - 0 Time - D [519|1267]HP <612|759>MP {551|553}MV [Exits: --- ] Despeynia: [40] Someone's pierce mauls you. Someone's disease is powerless against you. Confident in your enviroment, you easily evade the blow. Someone's disease is powerless against you. Someone's disease is powerless against you. Confident in your enviroment, you easily evade the blow. Someone's disease is powerless against you. Confident in your enviroment, you easily evade the blow. Someone's disease is powerless against you. Your poison grazes someone. You dodge someone's attack. Someone's form blurs with speed! Sharp pain explodes in your leg! Someone's strike hits you. You dodge someone's attack. Someone's cleave devastates you! Someone's cleave MUTILATES you! Someone's cleave devastates you! Someone's kick maims you! Someone's slash wounds you. Confident in your enviroment, you easily evade the blow. Someone's beating misses you. Someone's beating MUTILATES you! You sure are BLEEDING! Someone's beating DISMEMBERS you! You sure are BLEEDING! Someone sends you sprawling with a powerful bash! <--- Round 4, Bash 1 Someone's bash maims you! You sure are BLEEDING! Someone parries your attack. Your charge injures someone. Someone parries your attack. Someone parries your attack. Someone parries your attack. Someone parries your attack. 25334 Gold - 0 Time - D [204|1267]HP <612|759>MP {522|553}MV [Exits: --- ] Despeynia: [16] Someone utters the words, 'aque bragh'. Someone's acid blast MASSACRES you! You sure are BLEEDING! 25334 Gold - 0 Time - D [138|1267]HP <612|759>MP {522|553}MV [Exits: --- ] Despeynia: [10] Someone's pierce decimates you! You sure are BLEEDING! Someone's disease is powerless against you. Someone's disease is powerless against you. Someone's disease is powerless against you. You dodge someone's attack. Someone trips you and you go down! <--- Round 5, Trip 5 Someone's trip scratches you. You sure are BLEEDING! Your poison grazes someone. You dodge someone's attack. Someone's form blurs with speed! Someone's strike grazes you. You sure are BLEEDING! Something sears your flesh with flames. Someone's flaming bite grazes you. You sure are BLEEDING! Someone's cleave maims you! You sure are BLEEDING! You dodge someone's attack. You dodge someone's attack. Someone's slash wounds you. You sure are BLEEDING! You dodge someone's attack. Someone's beating LACERATES you! You are incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided. Someone's beating MANGLES you! You have been mortally wounded!! You are too hurt to do anything for a while. Sadly my flee never went through. Amazing lag lock from his army, the only reason I survived 5 rounds was because of my immunity to his mummy, otherwise I woulda been 2 rounded. I'm not even sure that tear command is what killed me since the lag lock began in the round right after the dispel, I would have had to flee right away and if it failed or I was not quick enough I would not have been able to enter another command anyway. Either way, good timing and good kill. Link to comment
Venom Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 I understand now why you were so mad at the necro's dispel magic. Link to comment
Manual Labour Posted January 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 To be fair I was not mad about this kill, or even dispel magic. My argument on discord was that the lag lock potential of the army should be looked at considering how unreliable the current means of flight are vs a dispel magic. I was also annoyed that Anume kept defending it as "balanced". Necros are not OP imo, but they have a lot of tools and with the current state of EQ you cannot effectively defend against everything they have offensively. I know I am not the only one to die with no counterplay after being dispelled, but it's primarily the trip lock that gets you, not anything else. Link to comment
Implementor Anume Posted January 21, 2020 Implementor Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Correction: I never said "It is balanced" I said, this was unlucky and I've survived a lot of times when I was dispelled as various chars, bc it is more likely you get a flee in that not. Thing is, we remember the one time we did not get away a lot more than the 6 times we got away. We are looking at necro pets already and have been for a while. There's also been a bug fix and a slot correction which concerns necros recently. Link to comment
Anonymous Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Anume said: There's also been a bug fix and a slot correction which concerns necros recently. And lich... 😟 Alimar Link to comment
khaede Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 IMHO, necros and monks will always be OP. I've played both successfully (Azun/Salith). Any class that you have a low percentage unavoidable one shot kill on most enemies (sleep or dispel, dragon strike lag + disarm/chii bolt), you can just keep re-skirmishing until you land it. There are some exceptions obviously but these are the classes that I have had the most lop-sided experience playing. Link to comment
Manual Labour Posted January 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Well either way I maintain it is not dispel magic that is the problem here. I fought Agrinora and Gilthok a TON, and they both were able to dispel me many many many times, and neither of them killed me. In this particular case vs Puerilaug that was the only dispel he landed on me in all our skirmishes, so in my experience against necromancers on this character dispel magic into lag lock had a 100% kill rate. Maybe it was just lucky, I don't know how many times other non auto flying characters have been dispelled by a necro and still survived, I do not have the data to analyse. My previous character (who was a giant) successfully killed Puerilaug, back when he was still a savant. The difference was I was able to separate him from his pets AND I had an item that gave me autoflight, so triplock was never a threat. Link to comment
Venom Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 I still think that leaving FL because of this fight or the correspondence regarding the dispel magic was not quite right. I would love to see more of you Link to comment
aaa Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, Venom said: I still think that leaving FL because of this fight or the correspondence regarding the dispel magic was not quite right. I would love to see more of you It's easy enough to say this but the reality is it often isn't that simple. Link to comment
Manual Labour Posted January 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, Venom said: I still think that leaving FL because of this fight or the correspondence regarding the dispel magic was not quite right. I would love to see more of you That fight has nothing to do with me leaving FL. I continued to play for days after that fight, it literally had 0 impact on me leaving Link to comment
Izzzzy Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Mages are far tougher to play then anything. Being a mage is tough work. You need high amounts of AC usually to be even able to compete. You need spell level for your things to land. That is why there are far less successful mages rolling about then melee. You can't just pick up a staff and be on your way. Link to comment
aaa Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 It's actually easier to play a mage today than it has been for years. I say this as one of the squeakier wheels about mages being weak. imo the only mages that are on the weak side are liches and battlemages. Necros, PSI, Invoker are all in a good place (possibly too good) . Link to comment
Izzzzy Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Show me one Invoker that has ever gone without a death. Psi are just stupid anyways and I hate them all. I think they're all too powerful and they're the only mages where there spells actually work. Necros depend on there pets to be successful kick some dirt at a Necro and you'll ruin its day. Clerics are not mages they are Warriors with cure critical. Battlemage are a great mage class and if there upkeep could be reduced they would thrive. Link to comment
Izzzzy Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Liches are very powerful I might add. Link to comment
aaa Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Iznazti said: Show me one Invoker that has ever gone without a death. Firstly let me remind you of a quote from Virigoth "You are meant to die". The fact that we have people that don't die is a different issue. Secondly, the nature of an invoker means you have to put yourself in a risky situation to secure kills yourself as they have no lockdown, you have to bait people into staying too long to get kills and that often means you will sometimes die yourself. There have been a few invokers with very few deaths however in the past few years. Foxx had a watcher one that as far as I'm aware either never died or died once or twice. Tasaire was a sigil invoker that didn't die often either. 6 minutes ago, Iznazti said: Psi are just stupid anyways and I hate them all. I think they're all too powerful and they're the only mages where there spells actually work. I mean sure, that's your opinion but other mages spells definitely work. 6 minutes ago, Iznazti said: Necros depend on there pets to be successful kick some dirt at a Necro and you'll ruin its day. I don't see a problem with this? Like I said, in the past it was much worse than it is today. Necros have a bunch of tools to be able to approach a scenario without having to eat a dirt kick and get beat on. 8 minutes ago, Iznazti said: Clerics are not mages they are Warriors with cure critical. I didn't mention communers but would like to say that this isn't the case. 9 minutes ago, Iznazti said: Battlemage are a great mage class and if there upkeep could be reduced they would thrive. Their upkeep isn't even a problem, I've played A LOT of battlemages and never had an issue with it. 5 minutes ago, Iznazti said: Liches are very powerful I might add. I disagree. Or if I was using your method of discussion. "Show me a lich that hasn't taken a death." I basically only play mages, and I've played mages against some big, big baddies like Kotrag, Kelmi, Danpher, Keshan, Decimus etc etc and I'm telling you that it is far easier to play a mage today than it was versus any of those opponents when they could reach 60hr/60dr/60 save spell. Link to comment
Mmm Coffee Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Every single class that has a major power peak also has it's (usually) equal downside. Vamps are incredibly powerful but in cabal warfare, their daylight limitation can be easily taken advantage of in CTF. I hated that aspect of the class when in Nexus. And then obviously the vuln. BMGs are incredible but with the obvious upkeep downside. Invokers also great with the downside of maintaining mana > mana charge. Psis can only remember small numbers of key spells and don't have guarnateed bash protection (unless this has changed). Liches have a phylactery to maintain, a vuln, and aren't guarnateed bash protection (unless this has changed). As I played probably the last successful necro prior to the changes and had several logs to compare to current necros, I'm keenly aware of how much more upside current necros have. And to be honest, I'm not really sure what the downside/s are beyond horde control but as Celerity pointed out in another post, horde control isn't the biggest concern at current time due to auto strength damn. That said, I know the IMMs are looking into this and I'm sure a good solution will come out of it. Don't know the details of ML leaving FL but who hasn't taken a vacation out of frustration, claimed they'd never return, only to start salivating over PK logs six months later. He'll be back Link to comment
Trick Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 30 minutes ago, Mmm Coffee said: Don't know the details of ML leaving FL but who hasn't taken a vacation out of frustration, claimed they'd never return, only to start salivating over PK logs six months later. He'll be back Everyone, lol. I quit every week. 😂 Link to comment
sarcon Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 Geez, that is some sexy HP. Link to comment
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