End of the Road

[Anume]

Hehe. I'd love to see someone playing a melee like that. It would be quite amusing to see them constantly die.

[Gifnab]

42 minutes ago, Izzzzy said:

What I will say about this thread may be a bit off topic, My biggest problem with this place is the disadvantage mage vs melee.  People think it does not exist, but I think it does.  While a Mage has to actually hit the enter command to put in Damage.  c 'flame arrow' 1 round lag.  Melee just has to wonder the world and get ridiculous hit dam with a trigger set to smoke a herb when they are dispelled, then sit back and watch while crazy amounts of AUTO DAMAGE get done, at 0 Cost to them, allowing them to just sit there and wait for there opponent to flee and murder.  Now wonder players just stack 90 90 hit dam and watch, why wouldn't they when they can.  All the damage is AUTO and it is dumb and an uphill battle for the Mage vs the Melee.  Pretty simple to watch a screen and wait,

 

Have fun.

A few things:

1) This really, really isn’t true. Melees do have more damage in combat — rangers have pets, Warmaster have forms, monks have chakeras, warriors have shield bash, etc, in addition to a stronger melee kit (third+ attack, more defenses, enhanced damage, etc.) to go blow for blow with an opponent.

But melees only have access to one skill that can (very rarely) land an unspeakable (polearm form). Melees have very few options as far as healing items go — they’re basically limited to items with heal procs, as opposed to consumable scrolls, staves, and wands. And melees face one general reality: your output is going to cap out eventually, and there aren’t very many tricks or strategies to drastically increase it.

The way I think of it is in line with something Viri used to say about vampires: characters are like cars. Playing a melee is like driving an automatic: it allows you to hit your top speed and yes, in some cases you can throw on the cruise control. Playing a mage is like driving a manual — it’s a much more engaged, skill-testing experience. Sometimes you have to shift gears to deal with an upcoming obstacle; but at least, unlike a melee, you have control over what gear your car is in at any given time.

This comparison also goes further — if you try to ram a dump truck (crusader with a maxed holy weapon? Fire berserker?) with a sports car, you are going to get obliterated. But if you outmaneuver them, you can still come out on top.

In short: Mages are not dump trucks. You cannot expect to ram everything that moves and be victorious. They require more finesse and strategy than a melee, and that’s what makes them interesting.

2) We have spent a considerable amount of time over the last year or two undoing a lot of equipment power creep that enabled some of the melee cruise control you’re talking about. Ridiculous score sheets are getting harder to achieve every day, and with every area that gets tuned, melee life has gotten harder and mage life has in many cases gotten easier.

That said, I want to invite/challenge you to prove me wrong. Roll a melee and show how easy it is to roflstomp on autopilot, and I will make it my personal crusade to back you on changing/fixing the issue.

[Venom]

So many topics and posts for someone that said he will leave, but actually might come after a week or few. 

I see no point of that.

[Mmm Coffee]

2 hours ago, Izzzzy said:

What I will say about this thread may be a bit off topic, My biggest problem with this place is the disadvantage mage vs melee.  People think it does not exist, but I think it does.  While a Mage has to actually hit the enter command to put in Damage.  c 'flame arrow' 1 round lag.  Melee just has to wonder the world and get ridiculous hit dam with a trigger set to smoke a herb when they are dispelled, then sit back and watch while crazy amounts of AUTO DAMAGE get done, at 0 Cost to them, allowing them to just sit there and wait for there opponent to flee and murder.  Now wonder players just stack 90 90 hit dam and watch, why wouldn't they when they can.  All the damage is AUTO and it is dumb and an uphill battle for the Mage vs the Melee.  Pretty simple to watch a screen and wait,

 

Have fun.

Dude.  If the advantage was as lop-sided as you say, nobody would play mages.  There is no categoric disadvantage.  There are occassional match-ups that you will never win.  Just like you will occassionally be that person someone can't win against.  No melees are winning fights aganist semi-competent mages gong all-in on hit/dam.

[egreir]

Wasn’t there a demon necro savant syndi ruining peoples lives recently?  

[Nekky]

I had about -45 mental saves and about 50/50 hit/dam here:

 

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Vanguard Point
  Vanguard Point is where once a mighty western gatehouse was located. 
Although no such fortification exists today, it is still an important
checkpoint, inspecting those that would enter Maelbrim from this
direction.  It bears the heart and soul of Maelbrim, one that trusts Val
Miran will not launch a surprise attack in the foreseeable future.  Instead,
defensive preparations that would have been built up here have been
incorporated in the northern and eastern ends of the city.  The point is
lined by rows of shrubs, and while delicately pruned, only plants as robust
as them can thrive in this semi-arid landscape that is the aftermath of the
previous city's destruction.  Still, the road is well-traveled and the area
has not lost its importance.  To the west is the Eastern Road, which leads
to Val Miran.  To the east, the path works into Regent Avenue, which cuts
through Maelbrim.  

[Exits: east west]
A dwarven mason is here, conducting his daily duties.
(White Aura) An Aberrant Guard scans the entrance to the city. 
(White Aura) An Aberrant Guard scans the entrance to the city. 

<1347hp 350m 224mv - (37800) - (19)>  
Your poison scratches you.

<1346hp 350m 224mv - (37800) - (19)>  They aren't here.

<1346hp 350m 224mv - (37800) - (19)>  They aren't here.

<1346hp 350m 224mv - (37800) - (19)>  They aren't here.    <---- Trying to open with dirt kick.

<1346hp 350m 224mv - (37800) - (19)>  
Your poison scratches you.   

<1345hp 350m 224mv - (37800) - (19)>  
The white aura around a stone golem fades.

<1349hp 352m 230mv - (37800) - (20)>  
Puerilaug utters the words, 'eugszr waouq'.
You yell 'Die! Puerilaug, you sorcerous dog!'
You feel less sick.
You slowly float to the ground.                                             <---- Oh...
Your skin feels soft again.
The white aura around your body fades.
You are no longer raising morale of your followers.
Your sensitivity to the invisible fades.
Puerilaug has a few scratches. 

Zagu: [===|===|===|===]
<1349hp 352m 230mv - (37800) - (20)>  Puerilaug is blinded by the dirt in his eyes!
Your kicked dirt scratches Puerilaug.
Puerilaug has a few scratches. 

Zagu: [===|===|===|===]
<1349hp 352m 230mv - (37800) - (20)>  
A mummy jumps in front of Puerilaug!
You block Puerilaug's attack with your weapon.
Puerilaug's form blurs with speed!
You are blinded!                                                                  <---- Ah...
Someone's strike grazes you.
A winged water dragon breathes forth a shard of ice!
Someone conjures a magical bolt of ice and launches it at you.
Someone's icicle MASSACRES you!
Someone's beating DISMEMBERS you!
You block someone's attack with your weapon.
Someone's disease DISMEMBERS you!
Someone's disease MASSACRES you!
You dodge someone's attack.
You parry someone's attack.
Someone tries to disarm you, but your weapon won't budge!
You block someone's attack with your weapon.
Someone's pierce maims you!
Someone trips you and you go down!                             <---- Uh...
Someone's trip scratches you.

Zagu: [===|===|===|---]
<1038hp 352m 230mv - (37800) - (20)>  
Someone utters the words, 'aque bragh'.
Someone's acid blast MANGLES you!

Zagu: [===|===|==-|---]
<941hp 352m 230mv - (37800) - (20)>  
You parry someone's attack.
You dodge someone's attack.
You parry someone's attack.
You parry someone's attack.
Someone tries to disarm you, but fails.
Someone jumps in front of someone!
You block someone's attack with your weapon.
You parry someone's attack.
Something sears your flesh with flames.
Someone's flaming bite grazes you.
You block someone's attack with your weapon.
You parry someone's attack.
You block someone's attack with your weapon.
Someone's disease MASSACRES you!
You block someone's attack with your weapon.
Someone's disease DISMEMBERS you!
You block someone's attack with your weapon.
You parry someone's attack.

Zagu: [===|===|=--|---]
<792hp 352m 230mv - (37800) - (20)>  
Someone utters the words, 'aque bragh'.
Someone's acid blast MANGLES you!

Zagu: [===|===|---|---]
<702hp 352m 230mv - (37800) - (20)>  
Someone's cleave LACERATES you!
You block someone's attack with your weapon.
You dodge someone's attack.
Someone jumps in front of someone!
A surge of fear induced power begins coursing through your veins.
You parry someone's attack.
You parry someone's attack.
Someone's beating MASSACRES you!
You parry someone's attack.
You block someone's attack with your weapon.
Someone gets a wild look in its eyes.
You block someone's attack with your weapon.
You block someone's attack with your weapon.
You parry someone's attack.
You block someone's attack with your weapon.
You parry someone's attack.
Someone trips you and you go down!                                   <---- Hrm...
Someone's trip scratches you.

Zagu: [===|==-|---|---]
<579hp 352m 230mv - (37800) - (20)>  
Someone utters the words, 'aque bragh'.
Someone's acid blast === DISINTEGRATES === you!

Zagu: [===|=--|---|---]
<395hp 352m 230mv - (37800) - (20)>  
You parry someone's attack.
Someone's cleave MUTILATES you!
Someone's cleave LACERATES you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
You parry someone's attack.
Your flame decimates someone!
Someone parries your attack.
Your flame mauls someone.
Something draws life from someone.
Your life drain scratches someone.
You block someone's attack with your weapon.
Someone's form blurs with speed!
Sharp pain explodes in your leg!
Someone's strike injures you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
Something sears your flesh with flames.
Someone's flaming bite grazes you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
You parry someone's attack.
You parry someone's attack.
You dodge someone's attack.
You parry someone's attack.
You parry someone's attack.
You block someone's attack with your weapon.
Someone's disease MASSACRES you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Someone tries to disarm you, but fails.
You dodge someone's attack.
You parry someone's attack.

Zagu: [==-|---|---|---]
<212hp 352m 205mv - (37800) - (20)>  
Someone rides in.
Someone walks in.

Zagu: [==-|---|---|---]
<212hp 352m 205mv - (37800) - (20)>  
Someone rides west.
Someone walks west.

Zagu: [==-|---|---|---]
<212hp 352m 205mv - (37800) - (20)>  
Someone utters the words, 'aque bragh'.
Someone's acid blast MANGLES you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
You dodge someone's attack.
You dodge someone's attack.
You block someone's attack with your weapon.
Your flame mauls someone.
Someone parries your attack.
Your flame mauls someone.
Your flame devastates someone!
You parry someone's attack.
Something sears your flesh with flames.
Someone's flaming bite grazes you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
You dodge someone's attack.
Someone's beating DISMEMBERS you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Someone's disease MASSACRES you!
You have been mortally wounded!!
You are too hurt to do anything for a while.

<1hp 1m 205mv - (37800) - (20)>  You are too hurt to do anything.

<1hp 1m 205mv - (37800) - (20)>  You are too hurt to do anything.

<1hp 1m 205mv - (37800) - (20)>  You are too hurt to do anything.

<1hp 1m 205mv - (37800) - (20)>  You are too hurt to do anything.               <---- This is me trying to flee from the original dispel.

<1hp 1m 205mv - (37800) - (20)>  
The white aura around someone fades.
Someone rubs the dirt out of his eyes.
The white aura around someone fades.
The white aura around someone fades.
The white aura around someone fades.

<1hp 1m 205mv - (37800) - (21)>  You are too hurt to do anything.

<1hp 1m 205mv - (37800) - (21)>  
You yell 'AAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!!!'
Someone slices off your head!
You have been KILLED by a Bounty Hunter!
You are no longer affected by pass_door.

 

Just standing there with my ultimate melee power didn't seem to work 😜

[egreir]

You didn’t rage bodyslam.  Your fault. 

[Venom]

Was it an Ogre?

['tarako]

5 hours ago, Venom said:

Was it an Ogre?

For a bit the demon here had a weird bug with spell level. I dunno if this is an example of it, but vs my dwarf cleric he ignored spell turning if he had soul tap up. And it was annoying af cause he could one shot sleep a dwarf with 50 mental. Thank god that got fixed

[Mali]

I read Sarcon's original post and did not fine anything untrue in it. It was not a flame.

I read Ella's first post here and noticed that it was adversarial. Also, if you analyze Ella's posts, I think they used to be one person and now it is Lloth or Zoichan's account. Change in tone and style. Ella, I respect your work on the mud recently but I wish you could step back from that intensity for a moment and just hear Sarcon out for what he wrote. 

Sarcon is a good, fair player and he wants to play. His post was written to tell us how we can better steward the game to keep him in the mix. It's all fair.

I like all styles of play and to me any issues with the MUD are not behavioral, but rather code-based. There are a lot of mechanics that are not up to a professional game standard or thought through with the best interest of the player's experience in mind. So I find myself agreeing mostly with Tassin on these points.

I don't favor the role of peacekeeper much so ... carry on... and I want to thank the Imms for their work and I want to thank Sarcon for his time with us.

Fair winds and following seas

['tarako]

54 minutes ago, Mali said:

I read Sarcon's original post and did not fine anything untrue in it. It was not a flame.

In a vacuum maybe that can be said. But I was also taking into account their shoutout history. Where it is basically calling someone out for not being able to fight whenever sarcon wanted. So while not an outright flame, I can definitely see how you could think it was.  

[Lloth]

Really, Mali? I can't be bothered to have multiple accounts. 

[Mali]

I was thinking Zoichan really... but I wanted to give you a solid shoutout for old time's sake.

 

So when I read these posts (OP) I just start thinking "Alright, how could we have provided a better experience?".... 

 

But even if that's not the first thought, I think it better to just wish the man well and get back to the business at hand.

 

Hoping we can all play together soon

[Lloth]

Zoichan is also not posting as Ella. In fact, nobody besides Ella is posting as Ella. As a courtesy, I did the due diligence of checking the posting IP: it matches their prior activity. I have also not received any message, here or in discord, from Ella where they seems at all concerned that anyone else is posting on their account. 

 

Given all of that, I think it's best to avoid those kinds of accusations.

[HBwillie]

Sorry to see you go.  Had limited interaction with Treetin and Wikaz, but enjoyed what little bit I had.