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Integrated Paths (Berserker) 2.0

Celerity:

I don't like your idea because from a standpoint of what FL did/does better than many other MUDs is its uniqueness of each class. I have previously played multiple MUDs that had remorts available. No limits on most of them - so yes, we had backstabbing, fourth attacking, healing, sanctuary casting, hellstreaming classes that could do everything. Hell, when I played these MUDs the 'power builds' actually took into consideration playing a melee LAST due to higher HP gain, or mage for greater mana gain depending on how you wanted to play, if you had a clan, extra 'cabal' powers etc.

FL isn't like this - and if it had been I would not have started playing here. Having classes clearly different and not overlapping was and is a positive point FL has over many other MUDs. Even our remorts aren't true remorts in the sense of word.

Now, just because I say its a bad idea doesn't make it so - I'm not trying to force my opinion on anyone. I'm just saying - I think this is not a good idea. I won't stoop to getting personal like you do. Our opinions of each other aren't going to miraculously make your idea a good one in my eyes. Polishing turds doesn't make them silverware. It just makes them...well, polished turds. You can't blame people for not wanting to buy them because they are, well.....POLISHED TURDS!!!

L-A

PS - one more thing: 'I'll be your Huckleberry' If you know what I mean...

Dude, I've never seen a polished turd. Nor do I wish to see one.

But, I won't say anymore on this thread because I still don't care for the idea. And, no, I don't have to say why.

PS - one more thing: 'I'll be your Huckleberry' If you know what I mean...

emote Lay About starts side slinging a cup of polished turd, spinning it around his finger faster than the eye can follow and then holsters it at his belt to the entertainment and clapping of the crowd.

emote Lay About starts side slinging a cup of polished turd' date=' spinning it around his finger faster than the eye can follow and then holsters it at his belt to the entertainment and clapping of the crowd.[/quote']

Actually, you need an smote there and even then, you need your name AND L-A's for it to work.

Silly PKers.

EDIT: What I mean is, your name gets put in front of emotes and pmotes. An smote doesn't put your name in front, but you need it somewhere else and incorporating L-A's name at the beginning requires an smote as it does not put him in line with your action, but rather his own and you watching.

So far I have counted in YOUR list: Feign, focused bash, mantis maul, doublesheath, weapon seize, and backcutter.

I see where I may have been misleading in the title of that. I went back and corrected it. I gave the full tiers to show the scope of what the tiers can be fleshed out into. For example advanced meditation --> trance, so a berserker CAN NOT gain advanced meditation. Just below that was:

Balance:

Now that we have the paths and selectables integrated and combined with races, we must balance it. To do this, we first put a cap on skills based on their class.

A warrior can upgrade her weapons to master but an invoker may not be able to reach even the advanced level. A dark-knight or other hybrid will be capped in middle ranges for a large number of skills. This will rebalance our current system a bit.

For example, it will give the potential to berserkers (dedicated melees) to be better at melee (can raise melee skills higher) than rangers (melee/rogue hybrid), assuming that the berserker actually chooses to develop those skills.

Again, it depends on how the build goes. A ranger may be better at melee if she spends all of her selections solely on melee and the berserker spends her selections on things like headbutt...this is the beauty of the system. In the end though, the berserker has the class build advantage.

This system will never give a skill to a class that the class does not already have.

Celerity:

**I don't like your idea because from a standpoint of what FL did/does better than many other MUDs is its uniqueness of each class. I have previously played multiple MUDs that had remorts available. **

FL isn't like this - and if it had been I would not have started playing here. **Having classes clearly different and not overlapping **was and is a positive point FL has over many other MUDs. Even our remorts aren't true remorts in the sense of word.

Now, just because I say its a bad idea doesn't make it so - I'm not trying to force my opinion on anyone. I'm just saying - I think this is not a good idea. I won't stoop to getting personal like you do. Our opinions of each other aren't going to miraculously make your idea a good one in my eyes. Polishing turds doesn't make them silverware. It just makes them...well, polished turds. You can't blame people for not wanting to buy them because they are, well.....POLISHED TURDS!!!

L-A

PS - one more thing: 'I'll be your Huckleberry' If you know what I mean...

Please, this idea has nothing, not a thing, zero to do with remorting. Why do you keep bringing that up?

Next, it also has nothing to do with overlapping skills. Zero, nothing, not a thing! Why do you bring this up too?

I think it is a bit a personal yes, you flat out said I had no concept of PK balance (pure and simple.). Yet, the worse part is that you seem bent on shoving your 'elitist' attitude on something that you have shown (over and over again) no intention of actually reading. I don't mind criticism, but I do mind it when people take something I've worked very, very hard on and go on and on about how bad it is without even giving the effort to know what it is you are complaining about. I want feedback. I want people to point out of the flaws and mistakes (as questioner has just done!). I don't want people to point out flaws that aren't related to the proposition and stir up negativity in hopes that the idea will be derailed and locked.

But yes, I was and am calling you out, because you do this to many threads, and because I honestly can't think of any of your characters except for Zaewyn (and zero others before him), who was five years ago. I really do want to know what you've done over the last five years besides tell people to harden up on the forum and drone (nearly 100% incorrectly) about the 'golden years'. I want to know that you follow your own philosophy.

Lastly, you just said that my idea was a polished 'turd'. Honestly now...

Another post and you still haven't brought up a single point related to my idea.

Lastly, you just said that my idea was a polished 'turd'. Honestly now...

Another post and you still haven't brought up a single point related to my idea.

  1. I'd call it a turd, but I'm not so...mmm...crass? Is that the word I'm looking for?

  2. The "remort" idea just runs parallel. He's mainly been using it as an example, as your customization is something similar, IMHO. As in, each class is customizable, not that you get to pick a hellstream, hide, etc...but sticks to the main point of what the class is/what topical skills it has that become deeper.

  3. No one has to bring up a single "point" to your thread. You're incredibly intelligent, young lady. Most of you are more intelligent than I could probably ever dream of becoming. Did you know the male brain stops expanding/easily learning at 27 years of age? This point, however, is that someone can just disagree. It's a beautiful thing to not have to sit and start a philosophical discussion on why.

  4. Now, I understand you want this discussed so it can be "flushed out". I, for one, am not willing to "flush out" any part of this idea based solely on the sweeping changes that would have to come with it. And I do feel it would upset the balance of PK greatly. And you can also throw it at me that I don't know what I'm doing when it comes to PK, because, honestly, I'm not that great at it.

  5. Negativity only seeps in when you let it. Everything posted is read. L-A's writing may APPEAR to be abrasive, but then again, maybe it's not. Just pretend some 4 year old little girl is sing-songy reading it to you. Trust me, I'm not doubting L-A's trying to pull your goatee (no, seriously, shave!), but if you let that get to you, well, you're going to bomb your own thread like I delete characters, sweetie.

  6. Good luck. I love innovation as much as the next guy, just for the record. I just don't always want to see it implemented.

Basically Valek your saying you don't want to see anything get implemented. Something needs to change here that is what I know.

Basically Valek your saying you don't want to see anything get implemented. Something needs to change here that is what I know.

Tsk, tsk. Shame, shame, everyone knows your name.

Seriously, though, no negativity. Or I'll go get Grim.

I'm not against implementing. Just this. How can we justify implementing anything when there's still equipment balancing, etc...going on behind the scenes? Scrap one project just to get on with this?

I wouldn't throw PK in your face because you don't throw it into everyone else's face. You never claimed to be a PK expert and the end-all be-all of PK elitism.

Lay-About on the other hand...

(also about the singing part---a 4 year old girl singing that my idea is a turd doesn't make it any less 'abrasive' to me--it might actually aggravate the problem)

Getting on to your main point #1, this system is not parallel to remorting. Remorting is combining classes, changing the ranking system, and so forth. Actually, I hate remorting.

This system is the opposite of remorting. If remorting combines classes, this one diversifies them. Remorting promotes cross-class skills while this one promotes specialization.

And yes, this idea goes hand-in-hand with eq rebalancing. I talked about that one too! There is no reason that they can't be compatible.

Let me start by saying that I genuinely appreciate the time you've invested into this idea (and others), and that I know that you develop your thoughts carefully and with the intent of improving the MUD.

That being said, here are a few reasons that I really don't like this idea:

The Great Change

Many people have said it already. We chose and stuck with FL because of certain characteristics of the game. The nature of the class/race selections, the development of abilities, and sometimes, yes, the predictability of the PK aspect of the game (please be sure to note that I am referring to predictability solely in the PK sense). There is something about having static races/classes that have to be developed using different combinations of alignment, equipment, different cabal/subcabal choices, training, and just plain luck, that I like about this game. And I actually consider that to be one of the best REPLAY values of FL. I like the fact that when I roll an ogre warrior, no matter what alignment I choose, I will end up at 50 with the same skills, relatively the same stats, and the same opportunities to own or get owned as every other ogre warrior. It is that sameness that allows us to create from our own imagination completely unique characters, with solid foundations in the game's code. And so, when you try to conceptualize something that will totally revamp the class system of FL, and subsequently the PK system as well, I don't know that this would really be FL anymore. Can I say, flat out, that I would quit if this change was introduced? No. But can I say with no small amount of certainty that this would not be the same game any more, and there are other people that WOULD quit? Yes.

A Potato is a Potato

There are many specific problems with some classes in this game. Berserker is one of them. Dark-Knights and Monks used to be. However, whether I believe that these problems are the result of a lack of customization is the question. I think, having played here for quite some time, that the problems that these classes have are a direct result of other classes receiving the legendary "tone-up," while others have been the same since the day FL was born. And so what I suggest instead is looking for ways to utilize your creative energies to fix specific problems. Permit me to use a metaphor:

Pretend that you are on a boat (if any of you start that, I will kill you). As you sail out to sea, your boat begins to sink. Upon examination, you discover that some of the boards of the hull have rotted, and even begun to disintegrate completely. In order to fix the boat, you don't tear out all the boards and nails, and throw them all away. You don't buy a new boat. You simply replace the boards that have rotted.

The Final Solution

My suggestion on how to fix the problems that you have pointed out is simple. Rather than try to alter what we already have in order to prevent stagnation, introduce new things. And do it constantly. I fully appreciate the effort of the immortals and everyone else here in trying to constantly improve the MUD. And so I have faith that once some of these changes that have been promised start rolling out, peoples' concerns about stagnation and lack of development will be assuaged.

So in conclusion, while I again appreciate your effort, your determination, and your love for FL, I don't think this change is right for this MUD.

RE Celerity:

I only say remorting is parallel to your idea because both seek diversification.

RE Evangelion: We do need to tweak a few things here and there, something BIG has to happen (code wise, not just RP/interaction wise) because we do somehow need to draw more people in.

Remember, the IMMs said they'd trade us in for a couple of newbs or even a couple of us in for ONE newb.

I couldn't have said it better than Bali.

Just on a side note to celerity - if you want people to really read your suggestions and give adequate comments, please summarize them better. Noone wants to read an essay of 1k words giving useless explanations of what this suggestions would do, why you are suggesting it, why there is need of it and so on and so on. Just go directly with it.

Wow foxx you really are an a$$hat. How about you put a filter on your mouth and don't say anything because half of the time its a bunch of hurtful spite that doesn't need to be here. Come down from the throne that you think you sit atop of, it's time for you to wake up and smell the roses down here kid. You need to start treating everyone here better.

I WANT TO READ A 1k WORD ESSAY, do not speak for me put I don't want to not NOONE wants to. You don't know me or what the majority of the people here think.

Wow foxx you really are an a$$hat. How about you put a filter on your mouth and don't say anything because half of the time its a bunch of hurtful spite that doesn't need to be here. Come down from the throne that you think you sit atop of' date=' it's time for you to wake up and smell the roses down here kid. You need to start treating everyone here better.[/quote']

Hartful spite? Throne? What are you talking about mate? You got something personal against me (if so please PM me, I am happy to discuss it)? I was simply giving a small advice becuase it is quite obvious that there is a certain problem with the way the suggestion is presented...

Jeez, sorry for saying what I think, next time I will send you a PM and post only if you approve

I have a problem with the majority of your posts and how you respond to people in them.

I wish there was an Alt-FL used for testing well thought out/highly plausible/diversely interesting/GREAT idea's like THIS ONE! So, the player base could get a "hands on" perspective.

"You may say that I'm a dreamer

But I'm not the only one

I hope someday you'll join us

And the world will live as one"

I F**KIN LUV COLORIN!

And Professor I agree with you on that one man.

Wow foxx you really are an a$$hat. How about you put a filter on your mouth and don't say anything because half of the time its a bunch of hurtful spite that doesn't need to be here. Come down from the throne that you think you sit atop of, it's time for you to wake up and smell the roses down here kid. You need to start treating everyone here better.

I WANT TO READ A 1k WORD ESSAY, do not speak for me put I don't want to not NOONE wants to. You don't know me or what the majority of the people here think.

lets not get it locked, its a good thread

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