I never had trouble with shamans' date=' as an ogre warrior. Evil clerics were a harder, in my mind.[/quote']
Then it would seem you haven't faced any decent shaman.
L-A
Staff+ giant size= warrior?
With an ogres huge con' date=' mals arent a big problem. I always thought it was afflictive spells that hurt ogres most. I have seen some nasty **** on unsanced ogres at any level when the damage spells start flying. Ogre warriors bane? Prolly an invoker who knows what hes doing.[/quote']
I think what Celerity was saying, is that even though Ogres have a vuln to all magic, the fact that they take more damage directly from afflictive attacks is cancelled out by the fact that they have more HP to compensate (in a sense), as opposed to a race that doesn't have the afflictive vuln but has less HP.
The mental vuln isn't unique to the Ogre either, all giants have it, as well as Gnomes.
The maledictive vuln, well, mals own Ogres that aren't decently dressed with the right saves because they land easier than any other race (Ogre's being the only race with a vulnerability to maledictives as covered by their weakness to spells).
Dey
I second L-A
I think what Celerity was saying, is that even though Ogres have a vuln to all magic, the fact that they take more damage directly from afflictive attacks is cancelled out by the fact that they have more HP to compensate (in a sense), as opposed to a race that doesn't have the afflictive vuln but has less HP.
Dey
I don't believe this to be totally true. There are different 'levels' of saving for damage. Think of it this way, why do you take all different types of damage from an enemy fireball? If it was just save or fail, you'd only take 2 (depending on how much damage it might jump up or down) different amounts of damage.
Also spells have a damage "range", I'd imagine.
I.E 2D3 or something.
There are different 'levels' of saving for damage.
You either save or you don't. More saves = more chance to save. The type of spell it is will depend on what happens next. For afflictive, like Hegemon said, there will be a range xDy (eg 4d2). Save vs aff will reduce the damage, much like sanc, protection and other skills.
Saves vs mals and non-damaging metal will stop the spell. Fail the save and you get it on you.
I might point out - an unsanc'd, unsaved ogre warrior will be dead in three (four if you are very lucky) hellstreams. End of story. An unsanc'd, unsaved human warrior will be dead in the same amount of casts. There was a great post a long while back about this (perhaps some has it, can dredge it up?). It made a persuaive arugement that ogres faired better vs aff spells than humans (on a % damage of hp) due to bloodhaze and large hp. However, it was a pure comparison of damage - always remember ogres save worse (ie less) due to their magic vuln. HP can soak up the damage from aff spells, but vs mals (which land or don't) its much more of a problem. Hence ogre warrior's problem with shaman. Less so (but still scary) are necro's. Even at lvl 50, slept and spelled ogres provide very little resistance to a skilled necro.
Cheers,
L-A
You either save or you don't. More saves = more chance to save. The type of spell it is will depend on what happens next. For afflictive, like Hegemon said, there will be a range xDy (eg 4d2). Save vs aff will reduce the damage, much like sanc, protection and other skills.
Saves vs mals and non-damaging metal will stop the spell. Fail the save and you get it on you.
Want to guess again?
Want to guess again?
Which is why I'm skeptical 
Saves vs mals and non-damaging metal will stop the spell. Fail the save and you get it on you.
L-A
And also, how come if someone dispels, sometimes they don't dispel everything?
Then it would seem you haven't faced any decent shaman.
L-A
Covus, two-time Nexus Leader drow Shaman with many, many hours, and many, many PKs, wasn't a decent shaman? Olom isn't a decent shaman?
there is a save vs duration i would think, as sometimes sleep spells land for significantly longer than others.
Covus' date=' two-time Nexus Leader drow Shaman[/quote']
WRONG! Covus was Elder. He may have gotten leader before, but when he returned he never got past Elder. How do I know? I was there the whole time as Siri.
Just to add, I wasn't saying that I agreed with the Ogre HP covering up for the aff vuln, or that it doesn't, just pointing out what Celerity said. I don't know either way.
All I know is, fighting an Invoker (assuming they have no special EQ) can be a little easier because you can utilize Ogre Regen. Mals don't offer the same, and Ogres soak up maledictives like sponges soak up water.
Dey