Cabal entrance lowered to 30 Again.

I don’t know crap about the cabal rank system since I’ve avoided cabals since the clan requirement was added. Skills aren’t attached to numeric player rank but to cabal rank? What happened to balance at 50?

Cabal skills are set to #'d levels. Hasn't changed since 1.0.

Cabal skills are set to cabal rank as well. Hasn't changed since 2.0.

If I remember right, cabal rank is limited by your #'d rank as well. Now that cabal promotion depends entirely on the IMM to promote you beyond Vet, the other fail safe that was put in for cabal rank in 2.0 is really negated.

So there goes that lvl 15 leader making a massive imbalance at lower ranks.

Balance at 50. It's still balanced. Sure, one invoker won't be able to do that Nexus thing, or have that Savant skill, but those things were ment for a perk, after all. However, the balance comes in with cabal rank vs cabal rank.

First I want to say good job to everybody involved. This has been kept a discussion and hasn't turned into a flaming contest.

There IS a problem. Most of the people who are saying induct earlier are arguing for the way the problem was solved in the past. That very well may not be the way to solve it now. There has to be a way to let the outsiders become insiders.

Maybe some of you learned by mad ranking to 50 and carrying on at the top. Obviously, all you newer player have. But I didn't. I learned by defending the cabal against the enemy cabal leader at an eight rank disadvantage. I learned by being the noob cabal guy at lvl 33 getting smoked for jokes by some uncabaled puke. I think that new players should have a chance to learn in a way similar to that.

There has to be a point to playing. There has to be a reason to come back and a reason to put forth the effort to make a decent character. The first cabal app I submitted was accepted. Of course, I hadn't even heard of training. And I got laughed at. I had to hear of it to do it.

There's two sides to this. One side wants the best to be cabaled. Amen. The other side wants something for the lonely average players to give them an opportunity to build. Another amen. A quick idea... and I mean real quick... is to merge the old and new styles of cabals. Screw the 30k entrance fee for getting into a clan. It isn't enough. Make people apply. Give everyone above the rank of member the ability to induct (w/the 30k processing fee) if they meet base standards (ok app, some training, etc). There has to be more to the clan than automated quests. I'm still trying to come up with an idea for improving clan RP. There needs to be more of a reason to join a clan than because you want to join the cabal.

And my 2 cents are up.

And as a thirty currently, you can still have the RP mindset of a Caballer of your chosen Cabal. It would help in getting them involved in the big Cabal issues, but even then, to get truly involved it'd help to be at pinn.

Dey

You would have to use the clan/cabal chat to actually RP and if the rest of'em are like what i'm in now its like having abunch of mutes to talk to, other than hello the channels are dead silence unless you do a quest and they say good job. I like to talk and it just doesn't seem to happen in the clans and that the way it used to.

Personaly I think clans should be more officialy involved in cabal actions and the like... make it more like a Knight having a squire. One thing I particularly liked from when I was in Warmaster (when there was that huge surge with many on like Grom, Bazin, Korock, Senrail, Orlick, ect) was the formation of different groups ie: dragons, bears, ect. With each one having a warmaster for a leader.

You would have to use the clan/cabal chat to actually RP and if the rest of'em are like what i'm in now its like having abunch of mutes to talk to' date=' other than hello the channels are dead silence unless you do a quest and they say good job. I like to talk and it just doesn't seem to happen in the clans and that the way it used to.[/quote']

That is upto the individuals involved. If you have something relevant to talk about, do so. When I am Caballed, I always try to initiate conversation between clannies, and same when I within a clan. It might take two to tango, but it takes just one to ask their partner to dance.

Dey

If you knew how my chars were played I always "ask my Partner to dance" i never get any accepting the "dance" and holding a conversation, My characters like to talk because I like talk.

Suppose you've gotten a bad batch of people. Sorry, didn't mean to make it sound as if I was calling you a non-chatter after complaining about little interaction in the channels, just that I've never come across that problem. Suppose I've just gotten lucky at times.

Dey

Thats the thing, I usually get abunch of chatty people and this is a first and I really don't like it. heh but i'll get used to it i guess

Gotta remember too, people's RP, and what people may be doing at the time, I suppose. Meh. If worst comes to worst, talk to yourself.

Dey

Thats what I usually end up doing.