Something I thought was cool about cabal help files is you can possible join at level 15. This of course never happens and even if it did it would be a pain because the cabal item can be taken regardless of pk range. I propose something between a clan and a cabal where superb characters could be inducted by cabal members (that's right no Imm approval) and have access to certain areas of the cabal entrance and very limited services.
Sub cabals
19 minutes ago, Dale said:
(that's right no Imm approval)
Anathema!
41 minutes ago, f0xx said:
Blasphemy!
To be fair... cabal guards morph to your character level. So it's also not hard for low-level cabal members to retrieve. It's actually an immense boon to be inducted pre50, which is why it is so rare.
Because when you see that lvl30 at I he or she willl be v at 50. It also opens up the almost forced rp interaction between the two warring players
As a mortal I admit I would get angered seeing an opposing cabal member sitting out of PK range, running armies, easily retrieving the standard, and getting promotions all without the threat of being attacked.
Herald is an exception in my mind because well, it's Herald.
Welcome to the fight. Players have been asking for more cabal control for years now across multiple threads as well as a few other things that need to be automated or fixed.
21 minutes ago, Rygothran said:
As a mortal I admit I would get angered seeing an opposing cabal member sitting out of PK range, running armies, easily retrieving the standard, and getting promotions all without the threat of being attacked.
Herald is an exception in my mind because well, it's Herald.
I got pissed as a WM when i saw another WM inducted early. As he sat, not leveling, through the inductee phase of WM.
1 hour ago, Rygothran said:
As a mortal I admit I would get angered seeing an opposing cabal member sitting out of PK range, running armies, easily retrieving the standard, and getting promotions all without the threat of being attacked.
Well that's a stimulus for your own cabal IMM, and now Leader/Elders to get low level members of your own, so low lever wars can be fought.
Everyone here is rooting for cabal inductions pre-50, but when it happens to someone else, they complain.
A bit hypocritical, don't you think?
If on one hand players want inductions pre-50 but complain when others get it then sure it is.
Immortals of the cabals define rules for their cabal. Which will be interesting now that Leaders and Elders can clan allow.
I've always been for giving people Cabal early on due to a few reasons.
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Allows the characters to not only get into warfare early on, but promoted sooner. That means many people aren't coming into things where it's completely one sided.
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Introduction to Armies and techniques. That leaves people who have never done it before learn on a less steep curve.
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If all Cabals do this, that means there's going to be more people at lower levels who aren't left outside of PK range. If you're a Leader of a certain Cabal though you can send someone after the character regardless of what level they are, and it chases faster than some players when I had it happen to me a while ago.
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The biggest bonus of all for not being in the PK range of their enemy is that they are open to having more interaction and learning of a character that you wouldn't get otherwise. I mean honestly, outside of people who prefer RP over PK, do you think the chats would be that in depth if you were in their range? Probably not.
Not many people really stop at level 30 or even 40 anymore due to the ease of ranking. If someone is using the system to avoid PK, the change would force them to be on their toes a lot more than before. As for the downsides of this, I think they're minimal, though @f0xx may have a specific reason why it could be bad. If a person doesn't want to join until they're 50 though, that's still possible even if they get a chance to apply. They can choose not to send an App in until that point since they have 6 RL days to do so.
2 hours ago, Rygothran said:
Immortals of the cabals define rules for their cabal. Which will be interesting now that Leaders and Elders can clan allow.
I've been away a little in the 'engaging the brain' bit. Is that a thing now? (Please god yes, less admin for ulmy is a good day for ulmy).
EDIT: Also, I predict, that within 6 months we'll have people screaming about there being no space in their cabal because its clogged with pre-50's and peoples alt characters. I reserve the right to point the finger and laugh.
EDIT2: I just saw Ere's post that we've implemented that. My previous comment had no relation to that being allowed. What I was responding too was why it is 'rarer'.
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8 hours ago, Lloth said:
To be fair... cabal guards morph to your character level. So it's also not hard for low-level cabal members to retrieve. It's actually an immense boon to be inducted pre50, which is why it is so rare.
This was the issue, I think that if someone in an opposing cabal is out of your range you shouldn't be able to take the standard.
Also I'm talking about something new entirely that wouldn't affect your cabal title until you were in the actual cabal.
I was just saying that is was an endless back and forth, at worst, in that scenario. Annoying, sure. Again, which is why its not generally done. It's not impossible, though.