You'll never hear me complain if I put myself in a situation where Im fighting multiple opponents. Just ask Brauk and the jester monk. I do that very carefully with an escape already planned. I dont attack everyone online within seconds of each other and then wonder why Ive got people attacking me left and right.
As you accurately stated however, this fight was not that type of situation.
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If that's the case, then this log should have perhaps been posted in the prayer forum. As it stands though, from the short log and knowing your reputation (no offense here, I actually quite enjoy your aggressiveness, reminds me of Masokant a lot :)), I can not make a conclusion if the gang was justified.
I've fallen into such situations before, and when I have to be in your position I make absolutely sure that every single person involved in the fight knows who my target is. Your situation is even more sensitive since you are a qrace. Informing the savant only guarantees you that you will not be ganging. Informing the enemy team should, to an extend, guarantee you that you will not be ganged.
Always when you approach such situations you should have in mind that things can go wrong. Whether it's going to be your team mate not respecting the fact that you are qthing and attacking your target (which was my case, and I took a slay for it by the way) or the enemy team messing their communication or desperately wanting to kill you.
One thing is clear though, it is a gang, and there should be some punishment involved. Whether it's going to be a simple warning, CP penalty or even slay/demote, depends on many things, including communication, history between characters and a broader log of the fight.
Just my 2 cents.
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Ganging is not against the rules.
But Trick, this is a classy game now. And only classy things happen in this game. If anyone does anything that isnt classy they can and might be punished.
tldr: Stay classy.
But seriously whoever suggested we just get rid of all the rules concerning ganging and qrace ganging is right IMO. Just let people play, for all these rules there is just as much shady activity, loophole abuse, rage deletes (mostly me) and general dicksh behavior. Whenever something happens it becomes he said she said and some attempt to appease all parties in question is made. Anyway im rambling but yah it is just getting way out of hand with all these quazi sometimes enforced petty rules.
I will address your comment some Trick but first.
What we see here, when you look at location, and both logs is not Terrokant being over aggressive. It is Kuhng who creates the situation. You just have to look at both logs and all the players involved.
Kuhng is fighting the Savant guard. Is at Quite a few wounds from it. Terrokant comes in, engages, From the comments you gather that Zaos and Terro had split targets in tells. Since I know both players I would say that is very very probable as they both habitually do this. Assign targets and each goes after their mark, a habit born of a lot of FL and a lot of quest-things.
Kuhng gets slapped by the demon, and is a ltitle hurt, unprepared, name your reason. So he immediately abandons the fight. Runs away from the demon, runs back to his cabal guard, and enters Zaos' log attacking him. Zaos retreats. Terrokant does not abandon his mark and sticks to Kuhng, he was fighitng him anyways.
Karishin who had been fighting Zaos at this point abandons his target for pinned demon, and Kuhng, now with a cabal guard helping him and Karishin as well, has found the will to fight the demon again.
Kuhng basically was attacked and in a fight he couldn't win, so he fled to his cabal guard, engaged an entirely different person then proceeded to beat down the demon as a group with his cabal leader.
This @Trick, is the issue with your comment. It is my understanding that TAGGING is perfectly legal. Tagging being if you piss off Vrituthx, and Lisko. Fight Viruthx, end up at pretty hurt, recall and lisko blackjacks and kills you. That is Tagging. Assaulting someone repeatedly in a group is NOT condoned. Now if everyone in this was quest-things the Karishin and Kuhng duo would be on serious serious review. Since Qeust-things cannot under any circumstances ever engage someone who is in a fight, and if you even have the slightest in game knowledge that they are in a fight and you not only engage, but see it to the end, Anume will have a nice slice of you served up on a platter.
I know this first hand from when Rathanous had something similar happen. Posted to defend the Savant altar with the warmaster standard. Enemy had been fighting someone in another area. Enemy Ran, abandoning their fight, to go for a retrieve. I obliterated them. I was slain.
In the end though, as i have been in this situation before myself, the official response will be it is up to the cabal imm. I could spill a bunch of personal opinion vomit, but I wont.
In so far as this discussion in itself is concerned, frankly it is nice to see everyone debating these events in such a clear manner with no personal bashing. You all are so sweeettt. ;)
Very well thought out response, Kyzarius, for sure. And a lot of your points are valid and make sense.
The reason why I don't think anyone should get punished in this situation is because it is people playing the game. Tagging, ganging, team killing, whatever you want to call it. It is allowed. You are in a cabal, which is essentially a team in FL. Now, I'm not saying to run around in a full group of all five cabal members and just pillage the game, but there is safety in numbers.
Terrokant got involved in a cabal war against the Warmaster and Savant. TERROKANT put himself in that situation. Kuhng was fighting his war. I am all for someone trying to even the scales and have a great 2v2 encounter, until this happens. Terrokant is very veteran player and knows damn well what can happen when you put yourself in this situation. He's even said it in this thread that he enjoys fighting those odds. The thing about ganging is this:
Everyone loves the back and forth PK between several players. Everyone enjoys it. From a veteran PKer standpoint, I love being ganged and WINNING. There is nothing better than fighting an outnumbered scenario and coming out on top, you feel like a total badass. BUT, when you put yourself in these positions and it doesn't work out, then you create negativity. That's when people get upset. When your badass plan fell apart and you lost. Now its unfair and its against some code of ethics.
Will Kuhng and Karishin be viewed a little differently because of this? Who can say. I hope not.
But, Kuhng did not create this situation. Kuhng was fighting his war and Terrokant INJECTED himself into the situation. War is rough. People die. And to further back up my point, look at a shoutout entitled Jhinx. I'm 99% sure Terrokant posted that, yeah he didn't sign it, but throwing around fireballs with 3 people in an area then saying its a dangerous world? Can't do crap like that and then post this log expecting sympathy. Not from me.
We will have to just agree to disagree on that point about who created the situation.
I see a V in a cabal running back to his cabal guard for aid/protection. Where he would of died had it not been for the intervention of Karishin. Which imo is a bad habit to have in PK. When I am E or L I actually chastise my I through T members for doing that. But that is after all personal flavor, and solely the discretion of the Cabal IMM or E/L players.
I was hoping this wouldn't turn into an argue fest. While I enjoy the arguments and the opinions, the facts aren't really there. So I'll comment, and then lock this thread. The log was posted (in my opinion) to stir up and slander the other characters involved, and I had originally thought to delete it, but decided to see what could come of it. This is a prime example of making a fool of yourself when you don't know the whole situation. :)
Karishin was having issues with his connection, apparently. Him and Kuhng were still grouped, from a previous expedition somewhere, and Karishin truly thought he was being attacked by Terrokant over and over, thus the fleeing and walking back in to apparently continue fighting Zaos.
Case in point, auto-assist caused the issue here.
Thanks for keeping it somewhat civil.