Ok...

So, been playing a giant warrior for some time now and just found out that dexterity not only affects your chance to be hit, but your chance to hit someone as well. So, having the lowest dex in the game, I can see why I wouldn't be hitting anyone, even with a weapon they don't know. So, why play the giant classes as warriors? I have noticed, there are not that many of them around anymore anyway, probably why? Every pk fight I have with someone with more dex than me, I miss them alot, and they hit me alot more. I check their equipment while fighting and usually its axes and whips with shields, so I equip the same instead of something they don't know, and end up even worse than I started. Hitting them occasionally a little more than with the weapon they don't know, and them hitting me alot more! I really don't get the logic, but I am now assuming that DEX is the best thing to have when your fighting!

Yet another poor choice of race selection on my part, Deletion is inaminate!

Rolling again...

DEX is probably the best stat to have on any character. However, a giant warrior is the strongest warrior to have. Just because you have 15, 16, or even 17 dex doesn't mean you need to give up on the character.. especially if you're a melee character.

+Hitroll and +damroll are your friend, and I'd go as far to say that Hitroll aids in you hitting more often than dexterity does. Stick with it.

Take it from me.

I've played some high dex warriors. The only downside to a giant warrior is their mental vuln. Worse than that is an ogres magic vuln.

What are the best warriors running around?

I s*** myself when I see Thulgan.

Ah, Giant warriors own... Doing well with a non giant warrior is a lot harder imo

If a giant warrior can not hit, shift +dam to +hit and note ye well the difference.

I'd recommend generally aiming for having more hitroll than damroll - being able to hit hard means crap if you never land the blows.

non pinn, had 43 hit 33 dam and still wasn't really smacking any players around.

Would need to see logs to give any more detailed pointers (but trust me, if you're having trouble as a non-pinned giant melee, you're doing something wrong and we can help with that). Log your fights, toss them up!

That's a beautiful hit and dam score... interesting that you where not hitting anything.

At level 33 I rarely miss with a hit/dam of almost 30/30. You should be hitting all the time...

Keep in mind that a rank disadvantage will be much harder to overcome than just a lack of hr dr.

So' date=' been playing a giant warrior for some time now and just found out that dexterity not only affects your chance to be hit, but your chance to hit someone as well.[/quote']

Let's stop here.

This is just not true

And I would suggest you to try a non giant warrior (and eventually have lower hit/dam and see the REAL difference).

Basicly, at the moment you haven't played a high dex/low str warrior, yet you say they will hit more than a giant one?

Not necessarily, f0xx. Having more dex than your opponent allows a variety of skills to hit more often. str however will increase both your hitroll and damroll.

I would love to see a change to dex, and str, though, giving both small warriors and large warriors separate bonuses... such as:

More dex = better dodge

More str = better parry

Not necessarily' date=' f0xx. Having more [i']dex than your opponent allows a variety of skills to hit more often.

Indeed, but I thought we were talking about melee attacks landing?

Not quite sure about that one. I almost think it does... but hitroll plays a much, MUCH larger role in that department.

... blaming low DEX on a giant for not hitting in PK...

Polk, post a score sheet, so that we know what we are talking about.

I have some doubts about your underpowered warrior.

A PK log of this happening would also be nice.

I'm pretty sure str affects weapon blocking already and dex might play a roll already in dodging. Parrying should not be affected by strength, as someone with real life sword fighting experience I know first hand that parrying is way more about timing than about power.

Something to consider Polk is are you blinding your opponent? It also depends more on who you are fighting and what they have than about your own hit/dam. Even if it's a weapon they do not know some classes have great defense in general and if said opponent is rocking a massive ac then it will also be hard to connect. If you use a weapon they do not know and if you blind them (and they do not have blind fighting) you should see a significant boost in blows landed. Also what is your second, third and fourth attack at? Giants are low int so often it takes along time to get third and fourth attack up which will also play a significant role IMO.

Although my "real life sword fighting experience" was the swordmaster telling me to return when they reinvent heavy axe fighting, i agree with Mr.E, parry would rather be int and dex related.

Thats just RL though smirks

I deleted him already, shrug, but thanks anyway. I don't wanna keep a character that I can do nothing with in Pk, especially considering the cabal I was trying for

I know I should log, but in the heat of battle I never think about it, lol.

I am usually never the one initiating, and I don't wanna log my whole game.

But, your saying that dex does not afftect JUST your ability to hit an opponent?

does the amount of XP you earn affect anything at pinnacle, like persay a race/class combo that has earned more would essentially be higher lvl in a sense than another race/class combo with lower xp requirements... Meaning they will always be considered tougher to fight.

does the amount of XP you earn affect anything at pinnacle' date=' like persay a race/class combo that has earned more would essentially be higher lvl in a sense than another race/class combo with lower xp requirements... Meaning they will always be considered tougher to fight.[/quote']

Yes and no....

The racial stats and perks/cons affect that.

So a higher XP pen should theoretically (according to my understanding) have a greater advantage ALL other things being equal.

But at the same time, give me an ogre ranger, and put Jibber on a human warrior, and I bet you can guess who wins.