does a giant using a staff and shield still pugil? :confused:
pugil question
Heh. Funny. No.
Pugil is defined as the use of a two handed staff as a singular weapon. Picture your character wielding a bo staff. Both ends are capable of offense and defense, as well as the center. With one hand on it, you are basically just holding a bokken.
wasn't sure if a giant had the strength to use both ends.. didn't seem like too much of a stretch to me 
He can use shield and staff at the same time (at least my enlarged BMG can) but staff will then count as 1 handed weapon so pugil won't work.
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Exactly. But following this logic, why can you not dual parry with a pugiled staff? I have often thought a warrior with Pugil, mastered in staff should be allowed to choose offensive or defensive pugil, choosing extra attacks, or an extra defense. See, against steel walls and the like, I would perfer the extra defense, where against say a thief I would want the extra attacks. Just something I have always been curious about.
You already have an extra defense for when using a staff as a two-handed weapon (without a shield): two handed (weaponblock).
You mean an extra extra defense? Two handed + dual parry?
You already have an extra defense for when using a staff as a two-handed weapon (without a shield): two handed (weaponblock).
You mean an extra extra defense? Two handed + dual parry?
Exactly, give up the extra attacks for, dodge, parry, dual parry, and weapon block. I mean come on, is a staff master warrior really so overpowered if we did? I think it would actually help balance it out a little. But its just my opinion having played many said warriors and having noticed that my extra attacks against clerics were actually a negative instead of positive thing.
Wielding a staff is not about being offensive anyway... 
Pugil used to have dual parry, back in 1.0. It's been toned down since then. I loved training pugil then. I got hand to hand, dual wield, dual parry, staff, two handed all at the same time!
You still can train dual wield and dual parry with a two-handed weapon for some reason... 
You mean you want warriors using a staff, the most defensive weapon in game, that allows:
Parry
Two Handed Block
Dodge
Dual Parry
Riposte
That is five defenses....
Lets not.
Unless all my characters can use a Mindflail.
Pugil used to have dual parry' date=' back in 1.0. It's been toned down since then. I loved training pugil then. I got hand to hand, dual wield, [b']dual parry, staff, two handed all at the same time!
You realise those two exclude each other?
And hand to hand while wielding a staff? Wtf?
You still can train dual wield and dual parry with a two-handed weapon for some reason...
Dual wield yes, but dual parry? Are you sure?
Dual parry and two handed exclude each other, you cannot have both at the same time, since as Mya said that makes 5 defences.
You mean you want warriors using a staff, the most defensive weapon in game, that allows:
Parry
Two Handed Block
Dodge
Dual Parry
Riposte
That is five defenses....
Lets not.
Unless all my characters can use a Mindflail.
i don't think that's too much considering (without giving any info away here) thieves can have up to four defenses. Is it really to much to ask that a warrior be more defensive than a thief?
It's not important how many, but how reliable. Some combos have 1 defence only which works better than a few others combined
Two-handed is one of the most reliable defences in the game.
Dual wield yes, but dual parry? Are you sure?
Dual parry and two handed exclude each other, you cannot have both at the same time, since as Mya said that makes 5 defences.
I've had both go up while training @ scare-crows with a practice glaive or other two-handed weapon. I dunno how, or why, or if it's been changed since.. but it's happened.
Two-handed is one of the most reliable defences in the game.
If you are a Giant Warrior. You wimpy Halfling is better of using a shield.
I would say that Shield block is the most reliable Defence.
Sure it cannot be Uber like a FG with a Staff, but no matter the class it works.
If you are a Giant Warrior. You wimpy Halfling is better of using a shield.
I would say that Shield block is the most reliable Defence.
Sure it cannot be Uber like a FG with a Staff, but no matter the class it works.
What does it matter if it is a fire giant or a halfling using the staff?
You make no sense dear
And yes, as stated in the guides, shield block is the most reliable deffence (which is quite logical) but two handed comes as close as second.
Whith shield equiped are down to 4 attacks though, while with wielding a staff that is not the case
Wielding a staff you Lose 2 attacks, and Bonus damage from 2handed.
Halfling vs Fire Giant, I think you can figure this one out alone.