Locked I got a wonderful idea

If we where Imperialists you would now be american

The correct saying is, "If there was a resource on your territory that we needed, we would have liberated you by now."

Pfff, we always need mildly educated soldiers for future dictator removal f0xx.

Pfff' date=' we always need mildly educated soldiers for future dictator removal f0xx.[/quote']

Luckily, with USA's education they won't be able to get even that

j/k ofc

Just please keep in mind that the media always seeks to demonize something. The war in the middle east is a touchy topic, and something that will generate headlines, viewers, and advertisement $$$. War is nasty, and I hate it. But the things that where going on in the middle east needed to be dealt with.

...But the things that where going on in the middle east...

Were ffs!

Luckily, with USA's education they won't be able to get even that

j/k ofc

enough?

NATO =/= USA

"Hussein was amassing biological weaponry, and evidence of WMD manufacturing was found in several sites across Iraq. You say we do it for Oil? America has more untapped oil than the entire arabian penninsula."

Iraq with WMD ? Right...

America has oil, but I doubt that it's more than the entire "arabian penninsula". The Oil problem is the Price and control. If you think gas price are high now, just wait until you have to mine your own oil...

Waging war is a great way to make money as you enforce commercial contracts on the subjugated country.

"Had we never joined ww2, you would be a German F0xx "

OR commie... It's easy to join a War when most parts are already spent from years fighting it, and you have all your manufacturing infrastructure intact.

US stayed "neutral" most part of the War, while France and UK went in, from the get go, to help other countries.

US stayed "neutral" most part of the War' date=' while France and UK went in, from the get go, to help other countries.[/quote']

Let's keep the facts straight here... France and UK declared against Germany in Sept. '39 because they had a pact with Poland, not so much to help other countries, but because they didn't want Germany to conquer the rest of Europe and leave them standing alone against it. The US began lend-lease to the UK and USSR (hardly a neutral activity) in March '41, so within 18 months of the war starting, we were tentatively on the allied side, and within 27 months we were in the war post-Pearl Harbor (Dec. '41). The war itself lasted another 44 months until August '45.

So we were out of about a third of the war, unless you count lend-lease involvement, in which case we were neutral about a quarter of the war. Not "most" by any means. And nobody entered the war purely to help other countries out... it's always self-interest.

Go Pali. I love seeing facts dissolve opinions. I wish that all the media outlets out there could find a few more guys willing to do the same.

Two thumbs up for facing facts!

I wish WC was still around, he would have posted about 50 links into this post already.

So......while we are off topic....

I am of the opinion that foreigners (yes, I called you foreign cause you're not American) have a bone to pick with the U.S. of A. because we are the top dog right now. I am completely against our involvement in other countries. I think we should just let the world destroy itself and not lay our hands into it at all.

The point is that without the Unites States, a lot of things in the world would be different. In world war I and II, we did not like the expansionism of the axis powers, but what eventually drove us into those wars was aggressive violence against us.

People make the argument that all our wars are about money, oil, yada yada. THANK YOU CAPTAIN OBVIOUS. Why do you think any war or conflict starts? Just be thankful that we aren't like the Russians who will invade a small country and then laugh as the world doesn't do crap about it. We actually have some moral bearing and won't screw over every country for our own benefit.

We accept your soft spoken thanks and wish you to kindly drive through.

...but what eventually drove us into those wars was aggressive violence against us.

And what agressive violence did exactly Iraq or Afghanistan do against the USA?

I think we should just let the world destroy itself and not lay our hands into it at all.

Considering how much of the USA is owned by or dependent on other parts of the world, I wouldn't think this a good idea. Still, the way we shove our way into everyone else's affairs could certainly use a bit of refinement.

The Iraq invasion I've never considered truly justified. Afghanistan, however, was a fairly clear case of the Taliban harboring Al Qaeda post 9-11... though, it's hardly an invasion that I would say was done effectively.

How was the Iraq invasion not justified? Did we not make it clear it was to take Saddam Hussein out of power? How many innocents had he killed before we intervened? How many more would he have killed if we didn't intervene?

You think of my fire giant dk as of Osama Bin Laden? Please lock this thread already.

I'm a kiwi, and my #2 on my list of things to do is travel to the United States, my personal respect for that country soars so high.

EDIT: And reaaally love their accents.... maybe.. not so much the southern accent so much, kind of 'hill billy like'

I would not agree with the notion that it is the USA's responsibility (or right) to remove all dictators in the world from power (and frankly, as dictators go, Hussein wasn't the worst of them by a long shot).

I am from Holland and I can say only one thing:If America didn't existed the world was gonna be better place.All the wars of the past 40 years are because of them, started by them or supported by them and yes..lock the thread because it served it's purpose.

I am from Holland and I can say only one thing:If America didn't existed the world was gonna be better place.

I prefer to avoid making statements like this... for one, they're purely hypothetical and groundless, as nobody here has any idea what the world would look like now had Europeans failed to colonize the Americas... and for two, they tend to ignore huge parts of the picture. I could easily say the world would be a better place if Germany didn't exist, because we wouldn't have had the world wars or Holocaust... but Germany has contributed far more to the world than just WW1 and WW2, and the USA has contributed far more to the world than just military force in the wars it has been involved in.

In my opinion, rather than saying a country shouldn't exist, it's far more constructive to say what it's doing wrong and how it should change its behavior to do more right.

Here is one constructive post then.Just stop sending troops to fight other countries, stop speking of the Russians as a vile creatures that wish to blow the world up and everything would be fine.90% of the Europeans think that the Americans did the airplane attack at 11 september by themselves just to conquier one of the largest of drug markets of the world-that one in Afghanistan.They attacked Iraq just because of the petrol.They doesn't care of the civils they care only about themselves.After Iraq they will attack Iran and that would be the end of America.Ask yourself how many innocent civilians and American soldiers died only because of that crazy alcoholic fanatic named George Bush.