Jesus H C. You guys cannot stay on topic for a second.
This is all a bit vague chief. We need something measurable right? Thats the whole point of this.
Let me help you out:
Stalker - for T:
You must have fought every unnatural being at least - no logging because they are 'strong'. (This is your entire purpose, everything else is noise. IF you cant hack killing undead necro's this isn't for you then)
You must have vanquished at least one abomination.
You must have successfully defended or attempted within reason (avoiding death) the cabal and its interests.
You must start playing an active role in politics in regards to abominations in the lands.
Must had led a raid.
Must have started thoughts about recruitment and retention.
Warder:
ETC
See, this gives people a clear guideline to live by and go for.
1. A clear RP AND PK example of the desire to protect the weaker through force. (Take a fight on in PK to protect weaker people.)
2. A clear mindset for taking the fight to the evil enemies, no matter who or what they are. (tribunal, Savant, etc. It doesn't matter)
3. Consistent PK. NOT PK record, but are you fighting the tough fights and the little fights.
4. A clear sense of honor by the commandment standards. (This does not have to do with looting, but are you only picking off the the weaker opponents or fighting the fights you know you can win)
5. Taking leadership. Do you instruct the other praetorian and help them to learn how to combat evil (I miss the squire function to tell you the truth. I would have wished for this on Ihreraeh)
Sigil:
Sigil is hard because the definition of war and battle are somewhat blurry. Pk is technically not war, it is battles.
Jesus H C. You guys cannot stay on topic for a second.
This is all a bit vague chief. We need something measurable right? Thats the whole point of this.
Let me help you out:
Stalker - for T:
You must have fought every unnatural being at least - no logging because they are 'strong'. (This is your entire purpose, everything else is noise. IF you cant hack killing undead necro's this isn't for you then)
You must have vanquished at least one abomination.
You must have successfully defended or attempted within reason (avoiding death) the cabal and its interests.
You must start playing an active role in politics in regards to abominations in the lands.
Must had led a raid.
Must have started thoughts about recruitment and retention.
Warder:
ETC
I think this is picture perfect imo for general expectations, and even then it can be fluid. It could even serve as a talking point for cabal leadership talking points and interaction.
Sigil is hard because the definition of war and battle are somewhat blurry. Pk is technically not war, it is battles.
To me Sigil is a pain because then you fall into a pretty forced "support role", even more so if Knight is active at the time. I also say this after having dwarf clerics kicked out for over-aggro
Sigil shouldn't be support. They should be the political side of the Knight expending policies to protect those that need the help the most. Moving citizens out of Val Miran and the like. Setting up support systems for supplying the needy with food and water. And, yes, if someone attacks those supplies lines they should be sending them back to whatever hole they crawled out of in pieces. I don't see the Sigil as passive. I see them as active in building. The Praetorian destroy evil. The Sigil build what is good. They should be active in rebuilding Val Miran. They should be active in securing new safe places for people who are in need. The Praetorian supports their efforts by clearing the safe place for them.
For me to make someone Trusted, they might have to...
Battle (and hopefully win) against the tougher Warmasters.
Never gang or tag, outside of doing so in the cabal altar room in defense of the standard.
Always defend and/or attempt to retrieve (successfully or otherwise) the cabal standard.
Advance some sort of RP related to mysticism, magic, experimentation, space/time, etc. Preferably this RP would engage your fellow cabal members.
Dabble in cabal politics by showing interest in negotiating trades and whatnot.
Generally have a solid, established RP trajectory for your character.
Be cooperative with and show respect to their cabal elders/leaders (although Ragnomar will just obliterate anyone that talks smack to him, with my blessing).
Rub the corns on my feet while feeding me freshly baked muffins.
Sigil shouldn't be support. They should be the political side of the Knight expending policies to protect those that need the help the most. Moving citizens out of Val Miran and the like. Setting up support systems for supplying the needy with food and water. And, yes, if someone attacks those supplies lines they should be sending them back to whatever hole they crawled out of in pieces. I don't see the Sigil as passive. I see them as active in building. The Praetorian destroy evil. The Sigil build what is good. They should be active in rebuilding Val Miran. They should be active in securing new safe places for people who are in need. The Praetorian supports their efforts by clearing the safe place for them.
See how it is a different mindset?
yeah i get where you are coming from, but my mind of the topic of sigil and its place remains the same.
For me to make someone Trusted, they might have to...
Battle (and hopefully win) against the tougher Warmasters.
Never gang or tag, outside of doing so in the cabal altar room in defense of the standard.
Always defend and/or attempt to retrieve (successfully or otherwise) the cabal standard.
Advance some sort of RP related to mysticism, magic, experimentation, space/time, etc. Preferably this RP would engage your fellow cabal members.
Dabble in cabal politics by showing interest in negotiating trades and whatnot.
Generally have a solid, established RP trajectory for your character.
Be cooperative with and show respect to their cabal elders/leaders (although Ragnomar will just obliterate anyone that talks smack to him, with my blessing).
Rub the corns on my feet while feeding me freshly baked muffins.
Good to see some of the imms were down to try to interact and give a base line for expectations.
Yeah except that one Time I fell through the cracks and ended up being asked to kill myself and kicked from the cabal and hunted like a dog!
Bahahahahahaha
I thought you never had any problems getting T because you earned it, made yourself known, and did everything you needed to do for T. Weird how you are adamantly against publicly standardized promotion requirements, while experiencing the exact scenario this is trying to prevent.
I thought you never had any problems getting T because you earned it, made yourself known, and did everything you needed to do for T. Weird how you are adamantly against publicly standardized promotion requirements, while experiencing the exact scenario this is trying to prevent.
To be fair, that was the standard. If you wanted to be TRUSTed in any cabal Lloth has ran, you had to demonstrate that she could put that trust in you. This hits characters with split allegiances pretty hard, granted, but... While the exact scenario differs from character to character (as it should, because RP should be unique between characters), the core was, indeed, a standard.
I thought you never had any problems getting T because you earned it, made yourself known, and did everything you needed to do for T. Weird how you are adamantly against publicly standardized promotion requirements, while experiencing the exact scenario this is trying to prevent.
This turned out to be one of my favorite memories of FL history. Go figure. Just saying sometimes good things happen even when you fall through the cracks. I had to push harder and my RP only improved because of it as well as my PK. I was forced to fight all of the best became an Elder, could have possible got Leader had I not deleted.
I wasn't doing everything I could have done as a Savant if I am being honest. I was coasting and that shouldn't get you trusted.
Do you not remember posting about how absolutely shitty it was, and how it killed your desire to even log the character in?
Good RP isn't always sunshine and rainbows. Yes, it could very well suck horribly in the moment after investing time into that character. In that situation, it can be hard to see that great RP could come from something like this, be it being booting from a cabal or a simple demotion. That's exactly what that reaction was.
Then he calmed down, looked at the situation and moved on from that experience. Using it to make the character grow.
Good RP isn't always sunshine and rainbows. Yes, it could very well suck horribly in the moment after investing time into that character. In that situation, it can be hard to see that great RP could come from something like this, be it being booting from a cabal or a simple demotion. That's exactly what that reaction was.
Then he calmed down, looked at the situation and moved on from that experience. Using it to make the character grow.
And rocked it.
Not everyone wants to sit back and rethink thier RP when they think they have been going well, esp. when you consider plus 100 hour investments into characters. Time is still worth something imo, burn out is real now lets just add another set of hoops to jump through and HOPE things turn out different.