If a vampire can be lawful a minotaur surely can...
Allow minotaurs to be lawful
........that makes no real sense at all. A vampire has composure, collect, cool, composure. They can understand the workings of using the LAW to benefit their own schemes. While a minotaur, with an intelligence of 17(half retarded), can hardly organize, and when they do it's through strength. They have only enough intelligence to satisfy the first tier on the heirarchy of needs.
a human, in alot of cases, is a 20. 8 being retarded.....17 is hardly half-retarded.
giants can be lawful.... and they have worse intelligence than a minotaur...
Minotaurs are by nature chaotic. It has nothing to do with their intelligence. They just cannot follow the law. They are too driven by their insticts, and very prone to being angry or lashing out.
Picture a minotaur as a bull, and the law is a bull rider. The rider gets on the back of the bull and attempts to break him in. The bull bucks and bucks, until the rider is thrown off, and then it proceeds to attempt to impale the rider. You just cannot impose any desire to obey the law into minotaurs.
What Malch said, definitely, 100%. It's not so much their intelligence; fire giants, which have lower int, can be lawful Minotaurs are just too chaotic and violent.
Seems to me giants should act the same way... I'd just like more choices to playing a minotaur than warrior/berserker Warmaster/Syndicate/Watcher. It kinda limits your roleplay to pissed off brute, which is probably why we see so few of them.
You can always apply for a change if your character exhibits the right RP. We do not try to limit peoples RP, but there are certain standards that we are going to stick to. Now we've had a faerie berserker, friendly drows, undead rangers and the like, but they are few and far inbetween. The point here is that we set the basics, and there are things that just don't make sense to have as a general option.
For example, dwarves are short, halflings ar short, faeries have wings. These are all inherent properties that they have by nature! A tall dwarf is no dwarf at all. A lawful minotaur is not quite a minotaur at all. Sure we may allow you to RP one, but the character will no doubt reap the consequences of such actions.
You have to keep in mind that the race you pick isn't just a collection of stat bonuses, it also means that you have the mentality of a member of that race. They aren't blank slates, they have parameters that you have to fall under or you could be outcasted (you can play whatever you want, but you have to be willing to reap what you sow). Drow are evil. Elves are good. Drow who do not act evil get outcasted, and elves that do not act good are outcasted. Minotaurs are creatures that innately rebel against authority and rules... accept authority and rules, and chances are you'll be outcasted.
dwarves typically hate magic, but we allow them to be priests...
praying ain't magic
praying ain't magic
Exactly. That's why clerics commune, not cast.
but what happens after they pray, is magic.
Thats like saying we can give children guns because guns don't kill people, its the bullet that kills.
Just because praying isn't magic, doesn't mean the association isn't there.
it's a blessing from your god, not magic
FL minotaurs certainly seem to be lawful, look at the Mahn-Tors fortress, complete with shops et al.
but what happens after they pray, is magic.
Thats like saying we can give children guns because guns don't kill people, its the bullet that kills.
Just because praying isn't magic, doesn't mean the association isn't there.
That's debateable, but even so, the dwarf himself is not using magic. He is calling upon the power of his god, not using magic directly.
FL minotaurs certainly seem to be lawful' date=' look at the Mahn-Tors fortress, complete with shops et al.[/quote']
Mahn-Tor is not bound by the laws of the cities; he is a warlord who has subjects serving him, either for pay or because he's threatened them. There is a difference.
FL minotaurs certainly seem to be lawful' date=' look at the Mahn-Tors fortress, complete with shops et al.[/quote']
I think its incredibly hilarious that we have minotaurs with cities, obeying the laws, and wont allow them to be lawful type classes. I ask for lawful and I'm mocked. For some reason i dont feel like i should be the jester here.
If there gonna be unlawful, give them ranger type classes, seeing as they must worship "the ways of nature, and only strong survive type of mentality", but i doubt they'll ever get anything like that either. This always upset me about sliths as well...
and Pali, if it minotaurs are the way everyone claims them to be, they would accept death before they would be slaves to mahn tor, nobody with this type of ego can ever serve anyone, trust me im in the military, we are always kicking out people with this type of mentality.
a human' date=' in alot of cases, is a 20. 8 being retarded.....17 is hardly half-retarded.[/quote']
You're just angry cause your int is 14 and 17 to you is genius.
and Pali' date=' if it minotaurs are the way everyone claims them to be, they would accept death before they would be slaves to mahn tor, nobody with this type of ego can ever serve anyone, trust me im in the military, we are always kicking out people with this type of mentality.[/quote']
Please. They have some measure of intelligence, they recognize the value of banding together... ever heard of barbarian hordes in real life? Violence, pillaging, rape... all good fun to them, but they knew they needed to work together to do it else they'd be slaughtered by their numerous enemies. EDIT: They also recognized the value of hiring themselves out as mercenaries, they were often led by one strong and charismatic figure... but they were hardly productive members of society that respected the rule of law.