Elder/Leader Minimum Logged hours

I think that Elders and Leaders of cabals should have a higher minimum time requirement than those who are Trusted and below.

The minimum time per month should be raised a minimum of 2.5 times the current minimum.

This will ensure that the Elders are actually playing an ACTIVE role in their cabal rather than logging an hour every other day to read notes and feign a few battles.

Of course imms, you might say "We monitor this closely" but the fact is, you are not always available due to RL problems like perhaps your computer goes out.

There is one cabal currently, where there are BOTH trusted and elder char(s) logging only the minimum hours per month simply to hog the cabal spot and equipment when there are several extremely (or at least more) active Veteren level chars waiting for promos.

With the increased minimum would come the following:

1. If you do not reach the minimum time, you are automatically demoted down to Trusted, no matter if you were Leader or Elder.

2. If you do not meet Elder/Leader minimum, you will get 3 rares purged along with the demotion (similar to the way collecting a bounty works).

Of course, if you cannot even bother to log in enough to retain a Trusted status, you will simply be expelled/purged just like now.

Agreed.

Disagree.

And I don't need a reason. I'm the Reverend.

Amen to that.

No. This is better done on a case by case basis.

I would have to agree with this. This is the primary reason I gave up my Leadership spot in Warmasters. I felt it was unjust of me to hope the leadership spot if I was not logging enough to warrant the responsibilities.

While I think 2.5 times is a bit much, I'd agree with someone who gets rare purged repeatedly should not keep an Elder or Leader spot either. Keeping rares takes a lot more hours logged than the minimum to just stay in a cabal. Then of course there can be a L or E who is on vacation and does not manage to log these hours for just one month. If it happens repeatedly, however, the palyer obviously does not have the time to play an E or L, which should involve cabal politics, rp, pk.

I agree with that. Perhaps 2.5 is a bit too much, but I do believe that over the course of a month, they should be required to keep a minimum amount of time logged which is greater than that of their subordinates, (With great power comes great responsibility).

Of course, if any Leader/Elder is to go on vacation, they should inform their cabal via IG note and the IMM will take note of such and pardon them (subject to their discretion). Sometimes, Real-life is unable to be predicted and things do happen which cannot be avoided, again a discretionary decision.

Perhaps, the first month they do not meet their requirements, they are sent a note from Hermes stating something along the lines of "Your duties have been a bit lacking as of late. Be sure to correct this or you shall find yourself with less duties to focus on."

Then, if they continue their lack of appearance during the following month, the demotion/3-rare purge happens.

I do believe that over the course of a month' date=' they should be required to keep a minimum amount of time logged which is greater than that of their subordinates, (With great power comes great responsibility). [/quote']

Here's where the craw sticks in my butt. Just because someone else has MORE time to log into the MUD, they deserve that E or L spot? Does your "great power" refer to the skills/spells that come with those spots?

I'm really not sure where this stems from, but I have a sneaking suspicion it's frustration. And I know frustration.

And just for the record, there's no way I could ever log enough hours to top someone that doesn't work 40 hrs/week, has a wife, and a son.

It's not that you have to log more than that Trusted person, but that the MINIMUM for an Elder/Leader should be higher than the subordinates.

This does NOT mean you would have to log on more than everyone else, only that you have to meet a slightly higher minimum.

For example, just throwing numbers out there:

Let's say that Trusteds and below have to log a minimum of 10 hours per month in order to keep their spot within the cabal. If that were the case, Elders/Leaders should be required to log a minimum of 15 hours to keep their spot.

If a Trusted char logs 40 hours in the month, but an Elder logs only 20, the Elder would receive no repercussions since they have met their minimum.

However, if that trusted char logs 11, but the Elder logs only 14, the Elder WOULD receive repercussions for that because the Elder did not meet their minimum whereas the Trusted char would not because they met their minimum.

This would ensure that Elders/Leaders are participating more in cabal activities which obviously require them to be logged.

The fact that you are either an Elder or a Leader of the cabal means that the oversight of the cabal is in your hands. You have the power to create all votes concerning vendettas/trades, the power to advance/demote clansmen, and the fact that you are supposed to be the person that the cabalees/clansmen look-up to. This is hardly accomplished by logging such few hours.

Now, obviously this will not keep people from simply logging those minimum hours, but because the minimum hours are higher than that of other cabal members, it would force the higher echelon of the cabal to be around more.

Great idea. It would help to alleviate some of the *perceived *issues with Imm presense by distributing some of that responsibility.

I'm with Nightmare.

I agree that elders and leaders should be the MOST active members of the cabal...

To be honest Im thinking of wrapping up my elder.. I honestly dont have the time for it with my RL commitments.

Let's say that Trusteds and below have to log a minimum of 10 hours per month in order to keep their spot within the cabal. If that were the case, Elders/Leaders should be required to log a minimum of 15 hours to keep their spot.

If a Trusted char logs 40 hours in the month, but an Elder logs only 20, the Elder would receive no repercussions since they have met their minimum.

However, if that trusted char logs 11, but the Elder logs only 14, the Elder WOULD receive repercussions for that because the Elder did not meet their minimum whereas the Trusted char would not because they met their minimum.

Now, obviously this will not keep people from simply logging those minimum hours, but because the minimum hours are higher than that of other cabal members, it would force the higher echelon of the cabal to be around more.

This I can agree with.

I agree Elders should play on a regular basis - which is why i retired mine, however should I ever get a decent connection back I would like to think I would have a chance of playing an elder again, so I don't really like the idea of people having to play more to get the character - I suppose putting it at the same level as rare-purge makes sense, as even at my most inactive I managed to meet that.