People keep saying there are better picks than Shield Bash for a giant class, does that mean its just not picked as a skill for most warriors usually, or does that just mean people think it is a useless skill? I would think if your going to try to be more defensive against another melee/half melee class it wouldn't hurt. I don't know exactly what it does yet "not that I'm asking on here, I want to find out for myself", but why not? Seems to be a very effective skill to have, combined with the right equipment I suppose... And also, I've scrolling through the pk logs, and almost every one of the warrior battles, I don't see them use any type of their warrior lore skills... I'm guessing they all stuck with one of the passive skills? I only see maybe one with backcutter, and the rest don't seem to be using anything else. Just wondering if I'm missing something here or these other skills just aren't really usefull at all.
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If I played another warrior (probably not giant though) I'd go with shield expertise/mastery. Just sayin'.
I wish I could help more, but I have only pinned one giant warrior. I went with the staff, for defensive reasons.(a nice combination actually) I remember a couple of giants having some success with sword mastery.
All of them have the potential to be deadly.
Even double sheath I've seen wreak havoc in the right hands, especially if I giant can get an enlarged bash going.
Read up on them and play what you think is 'most fun sounding'.
I guarentee you'll have way more fun that. Go looking for the 'power' choice and you'll just get frustrated.. The Lore doesnt make the warrior!
We just redid the shield lores, so I doubt anyone knows much about them yet. Suffice to say they're pretty nice.
I wanna paly a lorrior.
Then the lor makes the war.
Lets just say you wanted to play a drow/warrior... but you realise, that its far better to play a drow/dark-knight... To me it seems like warriors only have one edge on a dark-knight... One weapon they don't know and dark-knights have a spell to negate some of the damage... I know warriors have riposte, fourth attack, warrior lore, and dual parry... But it just seems like a dark-knight is still stronger having spells, and almost all of the attacks a warrior has... I'm so confused, I played a giant warrior to almost 50 then deleted, because I lost every fight I had with a dark-knight, all at different lvls, and also to a few other melee classes that know way less weapons than a warrior does, and even used a weapon they don't know each time. I don't understand it, most of the fight I never hit the guy, never got a dirt kick off even. What's wrong with this picture? Weapons don't mean nothing whether they have it or not!?
I'm also only speaking of the drow in this scenario...
having to quaff short lived potions for flight, no scrolls, I have found some very powerful scrolls and not so wands lol, but just tedious gather gather gather with a warrior, when you can summon half the stuff with a dk... I mean, why play a warrior when you get all that? You can even play a dk like a warrior, never cast in combat and still beat him outright in melee, excuding preperation spells already up, whether he is wearing a staff or not...
If you didn't touch them, your hitroll was an absolutely atrocity.
I played a drow warrior, Luurol. Look it up in the PK log section -- they fend off pretty well. Then again, I abused weapon forms, but up until then, I did very well. 24 dex, 1 prac training.. more strength than Halflings.. (pretty much trading in 1 dex for that +1 str from halflings (halflings having 17str, 25dex, drow having 18str, 24dex) and getting 1 prac trains.)
Lots of pluses for drow wars.
If you didn't touch them' date=' your hitroll was an absolutely atrocity.[/quote']
Yes, it was, I had like 32 hit and 40 dam, best I could do with the gear I could find... I know how others talk about their 60/60 and everything, but I wasn't pinn and I am not that good at finding gear yet...
Yes' date=' it was, I had like 32 hit and 40 dam, best I could do with the gear I could find... I know how others talk about their 60/60 and everything, but I wasn't pinn and I am not that good at finding gear yet...
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I maintain 60/60 is mythical!
You can show me your score sheets all you want. It cannot happen! :eek:
Edit: This is in no way a flame of Polk. It's serious.
32 hitroll isn't awful... but a giant warrior should EASILY be above 30 hitroll in even the most basic of gear.
I had all weapons including hand to hand with the exception of polearm mastered and all defenses mastered, was wieldling a fairly decent staff, then switched to a whip/flail combination, because I wasn't hitting... Once switched, I had a little more hit and a little less dam, but was only striking him maybe once or twice, and was getting torn to peices... I don't think it matters what weapon they don't know, only weapon I ever hit anyone with is a whip or flail and its always not enough to do the job... Yes, I know, I am a newb...
He was wearing for the entire fight a whip and shield and my bash would fail alot, and I would get bashed by his charmie constantly, so he was able to throw harms my way as well on occasion, laying even more waist to me...
shield block is a VERY reliable defense. Honestly, there has to be something you aren't telling us if you managed to not touch someone with a weapon they are totally ignorant of. I mean... I've been there were it seems like it doesn't land as often as it should (and my weapon prof was above 100) but it doesn't ever never once touch them. There was definitely something you weren't doing properly, but without a log I couldn't pinpoint what.
your right, with so many rounds going by so fast, and my health fading so fast, in and out of combat, it seemed obtrude (spelling era I'm sure) to even say I did hit him at all... Had Sanc the whole fight, armor, and was flying, but still not one hit, till after I switched weapons... Well, let me correct, riposte does count in this scenario so, yes that hit with a couple of injures, but if thats the only edge I can get in combat with a weapon they don't know, then I'm serverly lacking enough damage to make up for his...
You've gotta remember that a staff is the least offensive weapon available. Now, I understand you can pugil... and that's great, but you are still using as defensive a weapon as you can. I'd suggest you try something more offensive, like an axe/shield, whip/shield combination depending on your expertises/mastery and what you can get your hands on. Also, ask around... we have some prickly cacti around here, but we also have some down right decent folks who will help you out.
DKs got harden defense to stop them from being so vulnerable to giants bash locking them with a staff... If he was using a shield, he probably had that up, and the staff's effectiveness would have lessened. In that case I'd recommend a pole arm if you need the extra defensiveness or an axe/sword or the like combo... Weapons that are still defensive enough to keep you alive in melee but offensive enough to get around harden defense.
Thanks for the tips!
I used shield lore with Denomir, and it was AMAZING for fighting anyone with a bow. Otherwise? Eh.
Yes' date=' it was, I had like 32 hit and 40 dam, best I could do with the gear I could find... I know how others talk about their 60/60 and everything, but I wasn't pinn and I am not that good at finding gear yet...
For my halfling, all own spells and songs up, I barely get above 30.
you are still using as defensive a weapon as you can.
Any idea why I get - with my bard halfling - beaten more badly when wielding a staff, than if dualwielding?