Locked Armor Enhancements Rule

I was under the impression, having played two crusaders (albeit some time ago) that the classes mentioned in the new Divine Mandate were permitted to perform modifications of low quality for other individuals. It was my understanding that the reason higher quality modifications turn the object into a class-usable item only is because they are just that - high quality. However, I was under the impression that, for example, it was perfectly within reason for a crusader to perform minor alterations on weapons for their companions (I can't really go into much more detail, but this was a fairly insignificant change).

Can someone explain to me when/why this changed? I didn't think it was a big deal, because I figured the fact that some modifications make an item useless to anyone but the owner should make them understand when it's appropriate to alter something for someone, so I'd be interested to know.

Do not know when it changed. But I will accept partial responsibility. I will plead guilty, ignorance of this law does not excuse my actions. It likely has something to do with making those of incredible strength, extremely overpowered. I have done some absolutely marvelous things for a certain individual that in all fairness never needed any help. Albeit that was several weeks back, but he is not likely to be taken down with the gifts I provided him. So, to all the player base, sincerely, I apologize.

Woa I didnt know that either.

Atleast the person I provided such thigns for has been killed

I actually kinda like that rule. Crusaders skills are for crusaders and should only be used by them. Plus with certain weight limits for armor for certain classes a crusader may be able to make an armor piece light enough for those certain classes to use... this could be a big reason why. Same thing with Psions, they shouldn't be walking about psi-enhancing things for everyone.

I agree with saders...and disagree strongly with psions. I mean...can invokers not enchant for people either now? Saders literally alter an item...more along the lines of a DK. Psions...it strikes me more like enchantments from invokers. Maybe I'm missing something though.

Invokers are still able to enchant.. It doesn't give benefits quite like the psi-enhance does.

First off, it isn't a new rule. It was just never stated officially and we decided we may as well given some players tendency to make the excuse that rules aren't always stated officially.

To answer the question, I'm not too worried about someone getting a piece or two of altered equipment by accident by looting a sader for example. It is easy to fix in the code if that is the route we want to take, but it doesn't seem entirely necessary at this point. Given the rules governing what saders can wear, people wouldn't normally want to wear pieces that saders have only modded slightly for themselves.

The issue comes when they apply these mods to other people's entire suits, especially as they wouldn't be able to wear those items themselves anyways.

There's a certain druid running around with well over -1000 AC that's impossible to hit or do anything against.

(And I had over 60 hitroll, base.)

And I know far well that every piece of the equipment was enhanced, modified (since he did do it with my sader at one point) and enchanted by invokers. I would guess probably -50ac + on each item he wears.

In.cre.di.ble.

There's a certain druid running around with well over -1000 AC that's impossible to hit or do anything against.

(And I had over 60 hitroll, base.)

And I know far well that every piece of the equipment was enhanced, modified (since he did do it with my sader at one point) and enchanted by invokers. I would guess probably -50ac + on each item he wears.

In.cre.di.ble.

More prayer forum, less lynch mob mentality/sarcasm.

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And they admit to being part of the problem? :confused:

I know the feeling Jibber Ive fought said druid with well over 75 hitroll and still barely scratched him.

Which is one of the reasons we felt we had to state an obvious rule officially. If something turns out extremely unbalanced, chances are it's not meant to be that way, hm?

I had allways thought that rule was in order so I never even asked a Crusader for his abilities.

I think I need to read the rules again.

What is wrong with you guys? Do you really need rules to tell you that it is NOT okay to use crusader/psi skills for other people? Hell we have ranger arrows made owner only and you are using Qclass skills to enhance the items of a Cabal Leader that has been wearing the same suit for more than a year?

Do you really need a rule to tell that this is not right? Common sense anyone?

I thought we are all intelligent type of players?

That being siad, I have nothing against that char and I've beaten him with <60 hitroll, but it just seems absolutely astonishing that players are pulling the "I didn't know there was such a rule" card and this time even in public. Getting an additional -50 AC for item (although I think that is quite the exageration and it is not possible) for a class that is not supposed to have those additional -50 AC is quite an obvious manifestation of OOC contacts (even if that is not the case, what do you expect people to think?).

What is wrong with you guys? Do you really need rules to tell you that it is NOT okay to use crusader/psi skills for other people? Hell we have ranger arrows made owner only and you are using Qclass skills to enhance the items of a Cabal Leader that has been wearing the same suit for more than a year?

Do you really need a rule to tell that this is not right? Common sense anyone?

I thought we are all intelligent type of players?

That being siad, I have nothing against that char and I've beaten him with <60 hitroll, but it just seems absolutely astonishing that players are pulling the "I didn't know there was such a rule" card and this time even in public. Getting an additional -50 AC for item (although I think that is quite the exageration and it is not possible) for a class that is not supposed to have those additional -50 AC is quite an obvious manifestation of OOC contacts (even if that is not the case, what do you expect people to think?).

Well said.

Think that is quite enough now people.

Closed.