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question about saves
All right.
Firsts saves.
Viri once said you should aim to 70 mal saves to fight Shamans.
I would prefer 150 mal saves, but you cant get all.
Specially since you need to focus on mana and HP gear, and mental stuff also.
I personally stay away of Shamans, because they scare me even more than vampires. They can land a mal and them move aways while the mal eats you away.
I personally roll with 60 mal saves on my Paladins. I find it sufficient against all except shamans.
Protip: You can use the bless spells to boost your saves depending on your Deity.
A thing that also aids with mal saves is CONSTITUTION. As characters die their CON drops and mals become easier to land. You can check Help CONSTITUTION .
Also you are a Good Invocker, you should have acess to many healing items.
And depending on your race you can have access to the best healing item in the game. You just need to explore more. This game rewards exploration a great deal. Some things you need a thief to peek to, others a cleric to identify a crap load of rubish crap to find a "diamond".
Next time you roll a character, roll a Dwarf Cleric. They are excellent explorers and probably the hardest class to get killed with.
Now on Healing.
As a Invocker you should HOARD healing items. Potions, starves, scrolls and WANDS.
I used to teleport plagued on my Invocker and ride them out with items.
On damage dealing:
Healstream may bring the awe of peasants but Call Lightnight is the bread and butter for fighting Clerics and Shamans due to their high metal armour.
I wonder what your other stats look like with -150 saves....
can you even really get it that high with eq?
hell, -60 /-70 MAL saves is difficult to achieve without nerfing yourself to base hp and having 2 hit 6 dam
"the spells miss me but the shaman can melee me to death!"
"the spells miss me but the shaman can melee me to death!"
Rofl rofl 
Worst thing is, it's actually true 
Yeah Mya makes alot of good points. And it is also in my experiences that invokers should have the highest amount of saves compared to most other classes because saves and hp are really all they need. Also call lightning was far superior to any spell I ever used against most communers. I wouldn't even go into a battle against a shaman as Lamah with only -30 saves and this is with charge and being able to take them out in 4-6 rounds. Hope these examples help.
Does anyone else hold their breath when they read Mya's posts?
And what the hell is a "starve"?
Does anyone else hold their breath when they read Mya's posts?
And what the hell is a "starve"?
A typo obviously
A little tip for fighting a shaman (use at your own risk, it is a double-edged sword!) and something I do a lot. After fighting certain shaman enough so that I get a grasp on their fighting style, those that open with deteriorate, I remove my saves EQ just prior to battling so that I have next to no saves, so that their deteriorate lands easily and it drops my saves by a very small number. Then I wear my saves EQ again, and that way it's as though deteriorate has done next to nothing to dent my saves.
It does carry a risk, but I've only ever seen one shaman capitalise on it, and that was Kyzarius' Nexus Shaman when I fought him with Pamiyn. We fought for some time, and he couldn't land his mals, as I kept removing/wearing EQ to stop deteriorate. At one point he looked at me, saw me missing a ton of EQ pieces and just cast blind. No saves + no EQ + blind = not nice.
Also, getting ridiculously high saves in any area (more than -60 after combining saves-versus-spell I'd say) is just overkill IMO.
Dey
I've seen that strategy done for call lightning and invokers too. Just have to be very careful.
yah, call lightning, I think I will try it, I didn't really spam it up and need to master it. also its very limited (out doors, bad weather, takes like 30 control weathers to be able to cast the spell) but if it does good damage, it'll be worht it 
the weather only changes bad or better once a tic, you only need to cast control weather once a tic if your the only one manipulating the weather.
Also' date=' getting ridiculously high saves in any area (more than -60 after combining saves-versus-spell I'd say) is just overkill IMO. [/quote']
Could not agree more.
"Lotho tells you: It took Anume 7 attempts to land blasphemy on me."
It was eight, get it right 
I had the best possible saves equipment in the game.. it was ridiculous. But I was not immune, Triathix managed to land something nasty, which almost one-rounded my halfling Knight healer.
Healer pffft....
Druids...pffft
[EDIT] Originally it said halfling, but then I realized who posted above me.
It was eight, get it right
I had the best possible saves equipment in the game.. it was ridiculous. But I was not immune, Triathix managed to land something nasty, which almost one-rounded my halfling Knight healer.
I had so much respect for you as a player, and then you go and post this?! Man! Owning up to playing a healer is like owning up to having chlamydia.
Dey
I had so much respect for you as a player, and then you go and post this?! Man! Owning up to playing a healer is like owning up to having chlamydia.
Dey
Atleast we're on the same page.
Got something against chlamydia????
more likely they got chlamydia. OH BURN!
and now for your retort.. Least my Knight didn't con die to some torments! (not entirely true, but basically so oh well, on to newer and hopefully brighter things!
Got something against chlamydia????
I don't, and never will, Celery. I promised you then, and it still stands true today, I love everything you have ever, and will ever, give me.
a-g