Of all combos I've ever played, I must stay the dream path psi sucks so incredibly hard. It has some of the best potential to be a really awesome thing but the whole thing needs to be rebuilt.
Yes you have some mals...but they are easily cured and can't even be recast until you do the psi-thing which takes time, etc.
I don't even really have many suggestions, again because this whole path just needs to be scrapped...but yeah, thought I'd throw it out there.
How would you change it? Not necessarily the qstuff they have now, but what you'd like to see them be able to do.
Hard to say really. I think the premise of the class having the ability to project themselves on you from afar is cool...the whole dream path is cool, but that's where it stops. They need a way to be able to stop people from curing mals if you were to leave them the way they are now. You can't lock them in combat so once they flee and cure their blindness, you can't blind them again really.
A way to do damage to a person while they sleep would help. Maybe insomnia as well. They need a lot, which is why I think a total rework is best. But class building is definitely not my forte...I just wanted to throw this out there because they are severely underplayed, for good reason: they are horrrrrrible. 100% NOT viable at top or even medium tier PK levels, in my opinion. Only one I recall even having remote success was festorvian's and I can't remember if he got them toned perhaps, or he just got some lucky sleeps and stuff. But a mal based psi that can only cast their mals a very limited amount because of how psi's work...just doesn't cut the mustard.
Can we add drow to the mix as well?
7 minutes ago, FatMike said:
Can we add drow to the mix as well?
I'd love to see an undead psi or a demon psi.. man.. that'd be dope.
Not saying I disagree with you guys about the race restrictions...but it definitely won't have different results. The path itself is cool, but severely lacking in a balance standpoint. I'd love to see some more creative minds come up with ideas for a dream killer nightmare on elm street type killer.
While I admit dream path is lacking, from what I've seen.(I've never played one.) But why can't illithids be the other paths? Correct me if I am wrong, but illithids can only be the dream path, right?
Code limit Illithids to telepathy only. (dreamers)
I don't think this path is weak, at least now that Ego whip had it's bug fixed (per change log). The path can be quite powerful. Yes, the dream stuff can be easy to defeat if you know how it works but that path is a lot more than that circle of spells. The path has other amazing spells and there are thing that even I couldn't figure how they worked that should be powerful.
That said I would describe this path as the anti-mage path. So avoid savant and go Nexus maze subcabal, in my view the most sinergetic. And the best race isn't Squid but elf, since they are sort of shaman like and the autosneak helps a lot in this cases as does request. They are also a sort of attriction class with no cure critical, doable but harder.
So, are the other paths more powerful ? Yes and no. They are more direct. Dreamers are full of intricacies, that make Battlemage look like Warriors. To pay up for this they are the most unkillable combo I ever played. Played well, you will mostly die from boredom, stupidity or suicide.
To sum up, Telepathy path is well balanced in my opinion, now that ego whip fix should allow you to deal with people with huge mental saves.
"Ego whip issue fixed where it used saves of user rather than saves of victim." - Bug fix.
Perhaps rather than blind, they get something more akin to DK's veil of shadows spell...or whatever it's called. Veil of Dreams (for good aligned) and Veil of Nightmares (for evil). They both cause same effect as DK spell but Veil of Dreams reduces AC as opponents move and are under its affect (like -2 AC per move). Veil of Nightmares causes mental pain every move (something like bleeding/wounding).
3 hours ago, egreir said:
Not saying I disagree with you guys about the race restrictions...but it definitely won't have different results. The path itself is cool, but severely lacking in a balance standpoint. I'd love to see some more creative minds come up with ideas for a dream killer nightmare on elm street type killer.
Heck yeah! Would be so cool that if your target sleeps anywhere on the map you can invade there dreams and cast affects on them. Even know where they're sleeping. How cool is that? We need to watch some Freddy Kruegar movies to get more inspiration.
Uh, some skills in this path actually do what you're talking about tassin :P
Yeah you can invade their dreams from a distance. Syndi synergy is high.
I do think an Illithid in the other paths would be pretty damned brutal. The illusion and kinetic paths have their proven powerhouses...dream path is just...meh
It's not meh. It's extremely entertaining, fun and balanced. It's like no other thing in FL, a very unique experience. And very Cthulhuian.
All other paths are somewhat direct, this one isn't. Not everything has to be meat, some of us also like fish.
In no way shape or form is the path balanced lol
Good joke though
Balanced in RP? Sure.
Balanced in PK? 100% not.
Can please someone send me a spell list of this psi dreamer stuff, I really want to have one myself after time. I fought several but never knew all their spells. They are gimped as hell, one never gave me any problems but I like the RP thing.
I'll post some logs later if I can find ones that aren't me getting 4 rounded by Tyrus with -600ac...Illithid defense absolutely sucks, that's part of the psi problem. I was parrying less than 10% of attacks sometimes.
<826hp 1138m 516mv 0hour c 'mind blast' tyrus
Your mind strains to recall the details of the spell.
Tyrus yells 'Die! Noxxon, you sorcerous dog!'
You fade into existence.
Your mind blast MANGLES Tyrus!
Tyrus has some small wounds and bruises.
Noxxon: [===|===|===|==-]
<826hp 1094m 516mv 0hour
Tyrus throws a demonscale shield at you!
A demonscale shield smashes into your face, knocking you senseless.
Tyrus's throw wounds you.
A demonscale shield falls to the ground.
Tyrus has some small wounds and bruises.
Noxxon: [===|===|===|=--]
<806hp 1094m 516mv 0hour
Tyrus's poison scratches him.
A warforged shortbow's arrows miss you.
Tyrus's acidic bite mauls you.
Tyrus's crush maims you!
Tyrus's acidic bite decimates you!
Tyrus's crush mauls you.
Tyrus's acidic bite decimates you!
You can feel a Flail of Gasteride dig into your body.
Tyrus's wrath hits you.
A large mammoth's crush wounds you.
A large mammoth's crush wounds you.
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
A large spotted leopard's claw hits you.
A large spotted leopard's claw injures you.
A large spotted leopard gets a wild look in its eyes.
A large mammoth's crush injures you.
A large mammoth's crush mauls you.
A large spotted leopard's claw injures you.
A large spotted leopard's claw injures you.
A large spotted leopard's claw injures you.
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
Tyrus dodges your attack.
Tyrus parries a light sword's slice.
Tyrus has some small wounds and bruises.
Noxxon: [===|===|=--|---]
<517hp 1094m 516mv 0hour c 'remove magic' tyrus
You've managed to mend your armor.
Your will is no longer as strong.
You are no longer aware of auras.
Tyrus has some small wounds and bruises.
Noxxon: [===|===|=--|---]
<524hp 1112m 534mv 1hour Timer now at 30 secs.
Tyrus's poison scratches him.
You parry Tyrus's attack.
Tyrus's crush mauls you.
Tyrus's acidic bite decimates you!
Tyrus's drop kick injures you.
Tyrus's crush maims you!
You parry a large mammoth's attack.
A large mammoth's crush injures you.
Luckily your feet aren't on the ground.
A large spotted leopard's claw hits you.
A large spotted leopard's claw injures you.
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
A large spotted leopard's claw injures you.
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
Tyrus dual parries your attack.
Tyrus's hilt smash misses you.
Tyrus parries your attack.
Tyrus parries a light sword's slice.
Tyrus has some small wounds and bruises.
Noxxon: [===|==-|---|---]
<370hp 1112m 534mv 1hour Your mind strains to recall the details of the spell.
You failed.
Tyrus looks less sickly.
Tyrus has some small wounds and bruises.
Noxxon: [===|==-|---|---]
<370hp 1076m 534mv 1hour Tyrus gets a demonscale shield.
Tyrus has some small wounds and bruises.
Noxxon: [===|==-|---|---]
<370hp 1076m 534mv 1hour
Tyrus executes the 'Troll Scourge'.
Tyrus's armor pierce LACERATES you!
Tyrus has some small wounds and bruises.
Noxxon: [===|=--|---|---]
<321hp 1076m 534mv 1hour
A warforged shortbow's arrows miss you.
You parry Tyrus's attack.
Tyrus's crush decimates you!
Tyrus's acidic bite mauls you.
Tyrus's drop kick mauls you.
You parry Tyrus's attack.
Tyrus's acidic bite decimates you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
A large mammoth's crush wounds you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
A large spotted leopard's claw injures you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
A large spotted leopard's claw injures you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
Tyrus parries your attack.
Tyrus dodges your attack.
Tyrus dodges light sword's slice.
Tyrus has some small wounds and bruises.
Noxxon: [===|---|---|---]
<171hp 1076m 534mv 1hour flee
You flee from combat!