Replace sermon

Perhaps it's time to remove sermon and replace it with something else? Considering the lag affect is completely nullified by basic armament, maybe we should replace it or get rid of the lag part altogether and substitute it with something different. Here are a few ideas. 

Mana drain + Thunderclap like ability

Mana Drain + Health drain 

Mana drain + Debuff (Instead of the lag, every hour the sermon has an accumulative debuff)

Mana Drain + Minor afflictive (Some pain from actually hearing the sermon) 

Mana Drain + mild paralize. 

Maybe this will help bring back more clerics and reduce the amount of Melee's currently in circulation. I just observed a fight where someone with very basic armor completely nullified the lag part of the sermon, it was hilarious to watch.

Maybe these affects could also be religion based?

It's really always been the mana drain that made sermon so viable

But I agree that the lag was near worthless.

Until it hits the same round sanctuary drops. That ONE time lol

3 hours ago, tassinvegeta said:

Maybe these affects could also be religion based?

I think that's a great idea.

Sermon is so useful, cant understand how someone will want to replace the possible 4 round lag effect, just because it can be saved.

I recall it working quite often.  The mana drain too is the perfect attrition effect..

That Trogir guy beat the crap out of me exactly, because of sermon. I don't see anything wrong, or weak about it. Out of the 7 ticks, I only saved 2...

I do think a religion based sermon update would add some cool and fun flavor to clerics. I have never played an evil cleric so have never made use of it to have anything really constructive to say on it though.

On 7/28/2016 at 3:41 PM, kamikazi said:

That Trogir guy beat the crap out of me exactly, because of sermon. I don't see anything wrong, or weak about it. Out of the 7 ticks, I only saved 2...

Up your saves. There is no point for me playing an evil cleric now. At 50 I save 80% of Sermon rounds. Unless someone is extreme at chasing there is no chance Sermon is worth it.

Sermon is extremely worth it. You land it once and  you get:

• mana that doesn't regen and slowly drains away.

• a start of tic effect that if not saved grants 4 rounds and that occurs every hour of the spell duration.

The mana thing is extremely usefull vs other mages, and the lag is great vs meeles who tend to had lower mental saves.

For example a Savant evil cleric who has joined the anti-Healer/Shaman subcabal and get +mental spell-level will find sermon a very powerfull tool due to the added saves erroding and spell levels.

The last time I had issues with sermon I ran to kesrick and killed him for his helm. Didn't touch me again. As a melee it wasn't an issue.

As a mage I've had cure mana potions which will offset the difference whilst you're waiting the sermon out. 

Mix it up - its made evil clerics less versitile without the damage output of mages that cannot chase (like a battlemage or invoker). 

At least a good  cleric can strategically gate.

Just now, Aulian said:

 

At least a good  cleric can strategically gate.

gate?!

Portal.. Work with me here... I haven't played in 4-5 years and my terminology may be a little off :P

41 minutes ago, Aulian said:

Portal.. Work with me here... I haven't played in 4-5 years and my terminology may be a little off :P

hehe sorry ;)

Evil clerics do not get portal, fyi.

1 hour ago, Aulian said:

At least a good  cleric can strategically gate. (read as portal)

Who said anything about Evil Clerics?

This kind of looks like five different people talking about five different things. What was it...monologues?

Hahaha

1 hour ago, Aulian said:

 

Who said anything about Evil Clerics?

this is a thread about sermon....only evil clerics get it.

5 hours ago, Kyzarius said:

this is a thread about sermon....only evil clerics get it.

Is this really happening? 

I know only evil clerics get it... Good clerics get portal instead. This thread is about the uselessness of Sermon... I pointed out that Goods are potentially more pk effective with a well placed portal then an evil is with Sermon.