Locked Grog (WM Barbarian Elder Berserker) vs Akalic (Warmaster Inductee Ranger)

What I'm saying is outside of normal inductee period I was yelled at for using skills. I was basically told rage, stand there and I'm gonna unload on you. You can't put a positive spin on that lol. It is a shit experience as a player. The legacy of a wm is their record.  Starting off 0 and 10 because your cabal mates restricted the skills you where allowed to use, while using everything available to them, is shitty. Then mocking you while youre stunned isn't building friendship or companionship. I'm not asking for special treatment, I'm just relating my experiences. 

It wasn't 1 char, it was 3, it wasn't spread out over different logins. It was back to back one after the other within minutes. Then them laughing about how easily they beat me amongst each other while I was stunned. You get chastised if you try to pass on a duel, so your options are sit there and take it and remind yourself "well it's just my inductee period"

There's this "image" a lot of you have of this rough and rugged inductee period that molds you into a better more resilient fighter for the Warmaster and personal honor. And it sounds fucking awesome. Problem is, its not true.

What it is, is 10 hours in a cabal in a game that expressly promotes avoiding death, preparing the best you can for a fight, and learning to try again.

Warmaster Inductee is not a TEACHING moment when the first thing we **TEACH **new players is that sanctuary is a must and then the spells trickle down from there. It is imperative to have sanctuary in order to live long enough to learn a fight. There have been logs posted of an inductee getting two rounded w/o sanc whereas with sanctuary he may have lived considerably longer and been able to learn something from that experience. What a new skill does, what he/she did wrong, how to fight a cleric better, whatever it may be, they learn.

WM Inductee period is not a learning/growing stage. It is a hazing, harassing, and PK ability fodder stage. 

You have 10 hours of every DK/evil cleric challenging you. You have 10 hours where you can't effectively go learn FL or gather equipment. You have 10 hours where you can barely defend your cabal without dying. You have 10 hours where you can't even see invisible. 

Its 10 hours of a dogshit experience and pouring on some fancy sauce to say any different is just that, dogshit. 

If we WANT inductee period to be that learning period there are a few ways.

1. Change the way inductee period is fundamentally by allowing them magic or give them some basic sanc/det invis skill.

2. Erase the hour commitment and make it JUST a challenge requirement. You go balls out, no fear, and get your 10 duels win or lose? Congratulations, boyo, you survived the trial by fire and now you're a Member after your tenth duel.

I like option 2.

I enjoy the inductee period personally. For me it is a personal challenge to try and win being at such a disadvantage. Yeah, it doesn't happen often but it is the challenge of it that I enjoy without actually losing lives.

I suggest just letting people play their characters how they want to play them. A lot of players get pissed off because other people aren't playing the way they think they should. It's stupid. 

Inductee period for WM isn't changing in the foreseeable future btw.

4 hours ago, Rygothran said:

 

I suggest just letting people play their characters how they want to play them. A lot of players get pissed off because other people aren't playing the way they think they should. It's stupid.

Alot of people in this post are completely ignoring that this is what pissed me off. It isn't the inductee restrictions. It was the fact that while I was already under an ass load of restrictions my cabal mates where applying more restrictions on me while applying none to themselves. Take away critical pvp skills from me and then acting like they where badasses to each other for beating the most handicapped character they could have fought. That is what made it a shit experience.

13 minutes ago, 'tarako said:

Alot of people in this post are completely ignoring that this is what pissed me off. It isn't the inductee restrictions. It was the fact that while I was already under an ass load of restrictions my cabal mates where applying more restrictions on me while applying none to themselves. Take away critical pvp skills from me and then acting like they where badasses to each other for beating the most handicapped character they could have fought. That is what made it a shit experience.

This can happen in most cabals though.

I've had nexus guys send me to collect vials for them. Was it a shit experience? Sure. Shit experiences are part of cabals like that though. If you don't want them, then you are not ready for any cabal that has evils in them, or a strong militaristic hierarchy. I would suggest sticking to Knight or Herald.

Such experiences is what makes those cabals fun though. Because it's alawys funny how their attitude changes when you beat the crap out of them, full loot them and coup them. In cabals like that the strong guy is the right guy.

So what I am trying to say is, you shouldn't get pissed for something like this, because it's normal. And you should not demand anything other than that, because that's being entitled.

I'm entitled for assuming that I'll be allowed to use everything at my disposal in a fight where my opponent is using everything at their disposal?

40 minutes ago, 'tarako said:

I'm entitled for assuming that I'll be allowed to use everything at my disposal in a fight where my opponent is using everything at their disposal?

Yes indeed.

Entitled and naive for thinking that you will receive a fair treatment when others haven't. When being treated unfairly is the norm.

[edit] And please bear in mind, I am no supporter of such behaviour. I kill and full loot and basically do everything my RP allows me to literally "destroy" such characters and behaviour. But that is totally normal and in the RP of such cabals. And that is how it should be. People should be allowed to play their characters as they want if the RP of the cabal allows it. Even if they want to RP a total asshole.

Being entitled is wanting preferential treatment, not wanting some semblance of equality. In a scenario where I'm being asked not to use skills versus opponents who will use all their skills, they are the ones acting entitled. I don't understand how you can say the person wanting equality is the one acting entitled. I don't mean sanc etc. I mean my class skills. No buffs is inductee life, I signed up for it. What bothered me was being told not to use core class skills. 

If you think I'm acting entitled for wanting to use every skill I have in a fight, just like my opponents, the. You don't understand the definition of entitled.

Tarako^

52 minutes ago, f0xx said:

This can happen in most cabals though.

I've had nexus guys send me to collect vials for them. Was it a shit experience? Sure. Shit experiences are part of cabals like that though. If you don't want them, then you are not ready for any cabal that has evils in them, or a strong militaristic hierarchy. I would suggest sticking to Knight or Herald.

Such experiences is what makes those cabals fun though. Because it's alawys funny how their attitude changes when you beat the crap out of them, full loot them and coup them. In cabals like that the strong guy is the right guy.

So what I am trying to say is, you shouldn't get pissed for something like this, because it's normal. And you should not demand anything other than that, because that's being entitled.

My last Nexus Leader bountied anyone who joined Despair. If they can't keep up with bounty hunters, how can I expect them to thrive in the Rift? I felt it was proper Evil roleplay. Plenty of people hated it, and it even backfired on me. What an excellent scenario to make that character interesting though.

15 minutes ago, Anonymous said:

Being entitled is wanting preferential treatment, not wanting some semblance of equality.

In your case, wanting equality IS preferential treatment.

Because everyone was treated unfairly when he was on your place.

It's not an issue of me saying hey, don't fight with sanc because I cant. That isn't what I'm saying and I've never asked for anyone to do that. I've insisted they use all their skills. What i was angry about is I was told not to use other skills IN ADDITION to the already heavy restrictions on an inductee. That isn't feeling entitled man, I don't know how you can equate that to me being entitled.

49 minutes ago, Twinblades713 said:

My last Nexus Leader bountied anyone who joined Despair. If they can't keep up with bounty hunters, how can I expect them to thrive in the Rift? I felt it was proper Evil roleplay. Plenty of people hated it, and it even backfired on me. What an excellent scenario to make that character interesting though.

Phanthanan did that to me as seviks. Marcella trying to collect that bounty is how I got wrapped up in all that eternal darkness rp. Was a great time honestly. When  I in turn did it to a despair member I was flipped out on ooc and the character rage quit. MadE me feel like a dick

42 minutes ago, 'tarako said:

Phanthanan did that to me as seviks. Marcella trying to collect that bounty is how I got wrapped up in all that eternal darkness rp. Was a great time honestly. When  I in turn did it to a despair member I was flipped out on ooc and the character rage quit. MadE me feel like a dick

I remember that. And you passed my tests shortly thereafter. Sometimes these things create lasting memories, sometimes they create those you'll want to forget. But you'll never have either if you don't risk it and put yourself out there.

1 hour ago, f0xx said:

Yes indeed.

Entitled and naive for thinking that you will receive a fair treatment when others haven't. When being treated unfairly is the norm.

[edit] And please bear in mind, I am no supporter of such behaviour. I kill and full loot and basically do everything my RP allows me to literally "destroy" such characters and behaviour. But that is totally normal and in the RP of such cabals. And that is how it should be. People should be allowed to play their characters as they want if the RP of the cabal allows it. Even if they want to RP a total asshole.

And that is very telling of what kind of player you are and how you are probably not a good fit for the game environment.

I have never thought that I wanted to literally destroy my opponent to this degree.

I think that is a major factor as to why the game suffered such a catastrophic decline in player-base numbers and I, personally, don't feel like that is a good game attitude to have, regardless of it being RP or not. 

There is a point where you need to consider the player on the other end of the screen and decide if you really need to destroy them.

I'm disappointed in you, @f0xx.

In your case Tarako, you were playing a fury berserker when they still had a ridiculous success rate to weaponcleave weapons into deletion and they had no diminishing returns.

The only reason Berston and I advised against it was all we carried were sharpened weapons that we took hours to make, literally hours. That time and effort was not a good trade off for an in house friendly duel.

50 minutes ago, Chief said:

In your case Tarako, you were playing a fury berserker when they still had a ridiculous success rate to weaponcleave weapons into deletion and they had no diminishing returns.

The only reason Berston and I advised against it was all we carried were sharpened weapons that we took hours to make, literally hours. That time and effort was not a good trade off for an in house friendly duel.

And I spent hours and hours training my skills to be effective in friendly du7els. Your time investment is not nore important than my time investment.

I don't really see the problem. If it's a WM inductee and it's a friendly duel another WM should not use stance / sanc , forms whatever. The goal is not to rofl stomp them after all. In those cases where I've seen that, I've handed out negative rp awards. No cleaving is also often a condition to a friendly duel.

As to the complaints about being path / malform food as an inductee: you do not lose any lives. It's more a matter of hurt pride than a real disadvantage for the wm inductee. Dks and clerics need some love too ;)

(And yeah, I've been on both sides.)