Riona (h-drow cleric) vs Danpher (halfling thief), again

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| Riona          || Temporum of TEMPORUM                         |

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| Str: 19(19)^4  || Level: 50 Sex: F      Age  : 36(306h)        |

| Int: 20(20)    || Class: cleric         Ethos: chaotic         |

| Wis: 21(21)    || Race : half-drow      Align: evil            |

| Dex: 23(23)^2  || Hp   : 1077/1077      Exp  : 37800/480200    |

| Con: 19(18)    || Mana :  946/1007                             |

\ Lck: [||||||]  / Move :  217/503       +Hit: 38   +Dam: 31    /

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|     ARMOR      ||      SAVES       || Deity : Volgathras       |

| Slash :  -639  || Spell      : -35 || Faith : Discord          |

| Pierce:  -623  || Afflictive : -34 || Weight: 309/350          |

| Blunt :  -616  || Maledictive: -16 || Items : 38/44            |

| Magic :  -595  || Mental     : -20 || Prac  : 0     Train: 0   |

|                || Breath     : -5  || RP    : 310              |

|                ||                  || Gold  : 29K   CP: 1.8k   |

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/ Condition: You have a few cuts and bruises.                    \

| You are ready for a cabal promotion.                           |

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I looked at my previous fights with Danpher, replaced fire shield with steel wall (not using frenzy), got temporal storm going, and it made a slight difference; I was able to retake my standard from the altar and deliver it back home. It does not take long before Danpher shows up at the Tower's gates:

 

Danpher walks in.

[SAVANT]: 'an Air Elemental: Alert! someone of [GLADIATOR] sighted at our gates!'

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An Air Elemental tries to disarm Danpher, but fails.

Danpher's pierce LACERATES an Air Elemental!

Danpher's hunger decimates an Air Elemental!

A large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye draws life from an Air Elemental.

Danpher's life drain grazes an Air Elemental.

An Air Elemental is shocked by the lightning from a large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye.

Danpher's shocking bite hits an Air Elemental.

A large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye digs into an Air Elemental's body.

Danpher's wrath grazes an Air Elemental.

A spray of blood shoots forth from an Air Elemental's wound!

'Lion's Paw' the blade of Valour adorned with a starshard draws life from an Air Elemental.

Danpher's life drain scratches an Air Elemental.

An Air Elemental is shocked by the lightning from 'Lion's Paw' the blade of Valour adorned with a starshard.

Danpher's shocking bite scratches an Air Elemental.

'Lion's Paw' the blade of Valour adorned with a starshard digs into an Air Elemental's body.

Danpher's wrath mauls an Air Elemental.

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You are already protected by the wall of steel.

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Danpher's blood loss scratches an Air Elemental.

Danpher sidesteps an Air Elemental's attack.

Danpher's circle sidestep grazes an Air Elemental.

Danpher executes the 'Rising Sun'.

Danpher's pierce MANGLES an Air Elemental!

Danpher's pierce misses an Air Elemental.

Danpher's hunger mauls an Air Elemental.

Danpher's pierce LACERATES an Air Elemental!

Danpher's drop kick grazes an Air Elemental.

A large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye draws life from an Air Elemental.

Danpher's life drain scratches an Air Elemental.

An Air Elemental is shocked by the lightning from a large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye.

Danpher's shocking bite scratches an Air Elemental.

A large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye digs into an Air Elemental's body.

Danpher's wrath mauls an Air Elemental.

A spray of blood shoots forth from an Air Elemental's wound!

'Lion's Paw' the blade of Valour adorned with a starshard draws life from an Air Elemental.

Danpher's life drain scratches an Air Elemental.

An Air Elemental is shocked by the lightning from 'Lion's Paw' the blade of Valour adorned with a starshard.

Danpher's shocking bite scratches an Air Elemental.

'Lion's Paw' the blade of Valour adorned with a starshard digs into an Air Elemental's body.

Danpher's wrath decimates an Air Elemental!

Danpher's steel spikes hit an Air Elemental.

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Danpher's blood loss scratches an Air Elemental.

Danpher sidesteps an Air Elemental's attack.

Danpher's circle sidestep hits an Air Elemental.

Danpher's pierce maims an Air Elemental!

Danpher's hunger devastates an Air Elemental!

Danpher's hunger mauls an Air Elemental.

A large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye draws life from an Air Elemental.

Danpher's life drain grazes an Air Elemental.

An Air Elemental is shocked by the lightning from a large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye.

Danpher's shocking bite grazes an Air Elemental.

A large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye digs into an Air Elemental's body.

Danpher's wrath mauls an Air Elemental.

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|D(ism)ounted 20'00 hours> You call onto Volgathras's power and envelop Danpher in the very stuff of evil.

Your evil aura mauls Danpher.

Danpher has quite a few wounds.

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An Air Elemental rubs the dirt out of its eyes.

An Air Elemental manages to cover its wounds and halt the bleeding.

You have lost 2 seconds in service of TEMPORUM.

Danpher has quite a few wounds.

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Danpher sidesteps an Air Elemental's attack.

Danpher's circle sidestep grazes an Air Elemental.

[SAVANT] an Air Elemental: 'Danpher is attacking our home!'

Your freezing smash misses Danpher.

Danpher's pierce maims an Air Elemental!

Danpher's hunger mauls an Air Elemental.

An Air Elemental is blinded by the dirt in its eyes!

Danpher's kicked dirt grazes an Air Elemental.

Danpher's pierce devastates an Air Elemental!

'Lion's Paw' the blade of Valour adorned with a starshard draws life from an Air Elemental.

Danpher's life drain scratches an Air Elemental.

An Air Elemental is shocked by the lightning from 'Lion's Paw' the blade of Valour adorned with a starshard.

Danpher's shocking bite hits an Air Elemental.

'Lion's Paw' the blade of Valour adorned with a starshard digs into an Air Elemental's body.

Danpher's wrath hits an Air Elemental.

Danpher has quite a few wounds.

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You call onto Volgathras's power and envelop Danpher in the very stuff of evil.

Danpher seems to be unaffected.

Your evil aura LACERATES Danpher!

Danpher executes the 'Rising Sun'.

Danpher's pierce DISMEMBERS an Air Elemental!

Danpher has quite a few wounds.

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An Air Elemental's magic misses Danpher.

Danpher dodges your attack.

Danpher parries your attack.

Danpher's pierce MUTILATES an Air Elemental!

Danpher's hunger mauls an Air Elemental.

Danpher's drop kick hits an Air Elemental.

A large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye draws life from an Air Elemental.

Danpher's life drain scratches an Air Elemental.

An Air Elemental is shocked by the lightning from a large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye.

Danpher's shocking bite grazes an Air Elemental.

A large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye digs into an Air Elemental's body.

Danpher's wrath wounds an Air Elemental.

Danpher has quite a few wounds.

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You call onto Volgathras's power and envelop Danpher in the very stuff of evil.

Your evil aura mauls Danpher.

Danpher has quite a few wounds.

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Danpher parries your attack.

Danpher executes the 'Rising Sun'.

Danpher's pierce MASSACRES an Air Elemental!

Danpher's pierce MUTILATES an Air Elemental!

Danpher's hunger mauls an Air Elemental.

Danpher's pierce devastates an Air Elemental!

Danpher's drop kick misses an Air Elemental.

A large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye draws life from an Air Elemental.

Danpher's life drain scratches an Air Elemental.

An Air Elemental is shocked by the lightning from a large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye.

Danpher's shocking bite grazes an Air Elemental.

A large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye digs into an Air Elemental's body.

Danpher's wrath injures an Air Elemental.

A spray of blood shoots forth from an Air Elemental's wound!

A darkstone carcass hardens as it deflects more blows!

Danpher has quite a few wounds.

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Danpher rolls up the tactical maps.

Danpher has quite a few wounds.

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|D(ism)ounted 21'00 hours> You call onto Volgathras's power and envelop Danpher in the very stuff of evil.

Your evil aura wounds Danpher.

Danpher has quite a few wounds.

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Danpher's blood loss scratches an Air Elemental.

Danpher sidesteps your attack.

Danpher's circle sidestep grazes you.

Danpher's pierce maims you!

Danpher's chest kick hits you.

Danpher's hunger devastates you!

You feel a large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye drawing your life away.

Danpher's life drain scratches you.

You are shocked by the lightning from a large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye.

Danpher's shocking bite hits you.

You can feel a large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye dig into your body.

Danpher's wrath hits you.

Your steel shards maul Danpher.

Danpher has quite a few wounds.

Riona: [===|===|===|=--]

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Danpher is surrounded by a pink outline.

Danpher has quite a few wounds.

Riona: [===|===|===|=--]

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Danpher's blood loss scratches an Air Elemental.

Danpher sidesteps your attack.

Danpher's circle sidestep injures you.

Danpher executes the 'Rising Sun'.

Danpher's pierce DISMEMBERS you!

You block Danpher's attack with your shield.

Danpher's hunger decimates you!

Danpher's pierce maims you!

Your steel shards maim Danpher!

Danpher has quite a few wounds.

Riona: [===|===|==-|---]

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You flee from combat!

Steps in the Meadow

  You are standing upon the halfway point on the strange wide stairway

constructed out of metals unknown to you.  Its surface now vibrates lightly

as if forces powerful and potent were coursing below your feet towards a

source ahead.  

[Exits: +north east +south]

Danpher throws his fire daggers and hits you with one of them.

Danpher's throw DISMEMBERS you!

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Danpher walks in.

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The antimagic springs!

Sensing the antimagic's magical aura you partialy resist its effect.

You feel a brief tingling sensation.

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You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Danpher!'

Danpher executes the 'Rising Sun'.

Danpher's pierce MASSACRES you!

You block Danpher's attack with your shield.

Danpher's hunger misses you.

Danpher tries to disarm you, but fails.

Danpher's pierce decimates you!

You feel 'Lion's Paw' the blade of Valour adorned with a starshard drawing your life away.

Danpher's life drain scratches you.

You are shocked by the lightning from 'Lion's Paw' the blade of Valour adorned with a starshard.

Danpher's shocking bite grazes you.

You can feel 'Lion's Paw' the blade of Valour adorned with a starshard dig into your body.

Danpher's wrath mauls you.

Your steel shards maul Danpher.

Danpher throws his fire daggers and hits you with one of them.

Danpher's throw DISMEMBERS you!

Danpher has quite a few wounds.

Riona: [===|===|---|---]

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Danpher parries your attack.

Danpher's pierce devastates you!

Danpher's hunger misses you.

Danpher's pierce devastates you!

You block Danpher's attack with your shield.

You feel 'Lion's Paw' the blade of Valour adorned with a starshard drawing your life away.

Danpher's life drain scratches you.

You are shocked by the lightning from 'Lion's Paw' the blade of Valour adorned with a starshard.

Your muscles stop responding.

Danpher's shocking bite grazes you.

You can feel 'Lion's Paw' the blade of Valour adorned with a starshard dig into your body.

Danpher's wrath mauls you.

Your steel shards MUTILATE Danpher!

Danpher has quite a few wounds.

Riona: [===|==-|---|---]

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Your freezing smash wounds Danpher.

Danpher executes the 'Rising Sun'.

Danpher's pierce DISMEMBERS you!

You block Danpher's attack with your shield.

Danpher tries to disarm you, but fails.

You block Danpher's attack with your shield.

You feel a large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye drawing your life away.

Danpher's life drain scratches you.

You are shocked by the lightning from a large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye.

Danpher's shocking bite grazes you.

You can feel a large dragon fang adorned with Xanthak's Eye dig into your body.

Danpher's wrath hits you.

Your steel shards maul Danpher.

Danpher has quite a few wounds.

Riona: [===|=--|---|---]

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|D(ism)ounted 21'00 hours> No way!  You are still fighting!

Danpher has quite a few wounds.

Riona: [===|=--|---|---]

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|D(ism)ounted 21'00 hours> You flee from combat!

Chestbuster springs!

Chestbuster's shrapnel === DISINTEGRATES === you!

You sure are BLEEDING!

Strange Steps in the Meadow

  A strange sight lies before you.  In the very middle of the meadow a set

of steps as wide as a royal road have been constructed out of materials

unknown to you.  Rising at a slight slope their surface gleams with a

strange sheen, and occasionally a strange hum or vibration invades its

surface.  

[Exits: north south]

Danpher throws his fire daggers and hits you with none of them.

Danpher's throw misses you.

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Danpher walks in.

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You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Danpher!'

Danpher's pierce devastates you!

You sure are BLEEDING!

You block Danpher's attack with your shield.

You block Danpher's attack with your shield.

Danpher kicks dirt in your eyes!

Danpher's kicked dirt scratches you.

You sure are BLEEDING!

You can't see a thing!

Your steel shards maim someone!

Someone throws his something and hits you with one of them.

Someone's blow wounds you gravely.

Someone's throw LACERATES you!

You sure are BLEEDING!

Riona: [=--|---|---|---]

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Someone parries your attack.

Someone executes the 'Rising Sun'.

Someone's pierce MASSACRES you!

You have been KILLED!!

Anonymous poster hash: d8186...b87

What I should've done to escape is eat my teleport pill, which is the exact reason I got them, but I just kinda panicked and forgot. Even the melee round where I parry/block every single attack, I take almost 80 damage due to automatic forms (they really did a lot of damage to me for so few rounds), and the lag from traps just prevent any sort of escape. I was trying to double back to the cabal guard since it engages him and gives me at least two rounds to heal before he can melee me. In our engagements today (which was pretty brief since I got killed after getting the standard back), temporal storm hit him once. My path/steel wall is such a low damage output that it feels like attrition will never win the game even if I can dance around and heal up. It's just an uphill battle and at this point it feels like just getting away alive is a victory. Heck, some times I just want to let them have the standard so I don't have to die, but I've been doing my best trying to get it back anyway.

And with this engagement, I am officially halfway to condeath:

Condition: You are a bit worn out from your wounds.

Thanks for the fight Danpher. Just wish I could make it more challenging for you.'

• Riona

Anonymous poster hash: d8186...b87

A few things I noticed here. 

• Thieves suck for clerics.  Lets get that right out.  Halfling thieves the MOST.
• Avoid fighitng in tight spaces.  You need to do the cleric dance for your combo to work.
• Temporal storm. 

First off you need to lead with this when you are buffing yourself.  Not sure if you know that but the + spell lvl is crucial.  Holy hands for example, gets stronger.

• Its "hit" isnt the point.  Though it will ALWAYS hit with 100% chance the first round of combat. 

The point is ---reversed regen, and double expiration time on buffs.  This is your BEST attrition spell.  You turn all that hitgain into pain while also adding a huge risk for stance to drop unexpectedly.   That is a big part of the cleric dance.  You engage, get Temporal on them, then immediately flee out

Age

• Didn't see it either.  Got an enemy fighting your guard, AGE.  100% hp, AGE.  it is always worth it.  It ruins their haste, as well as reduces combat effectiveness.  And you sometimes get lucky and they forget something ike third attack, or dirt.  It never misses.

Your path - you need to kill people.  Your path of deceit gets stronger the more pkills you have.  

 

So to recap, you cant let yourself get trapped like that.  Run around, hit and run, hit and run, e,e,e,s,crit,crit,w,n,n,w,crit,crit.  Think tetris shapes to break scan.  DONT FIGHT MOUNTED, not sure if you did or not but this is crucial.  Trust me. .  Engage, let temporal lash, then run.  Beef up your path.  Cast temporal storm before you reverse time, not after.  Hasten yourself, it helps you avoid getting hit.

I'd aged him a couple of ticks earlier (I tend to always initiate with it). Also, due to Danpher's saves, temporal storm will rarely stick on him. Throughout our encounter (me running to get my flag, fighting in the Ford, then going home with the standard), it landed on him once. If I can't get it to stick, I won't be able to rely on it. Also if I avoid fighting in narrow spaces, I lose my standard and can't rely on any cabal spells, and *then *have to fight in narrow spaces trying to get it back.

I'd love to have a stranger path, absolutely. I just don't see a scenario where I have 30 pkills and 3 deaths instead of the other way around.

Also, hasting myself will do absolutely nothing if I lead every fight with age, since using Savant spells cancels it (reverse time, age, temporal storm). I could have it for two ticks if I use the shield, but that's about it. I never fight mounted, especially since I use the sneaky boots when I have to get away.

This is usually how I try to fight, running for my life, healing up a hundred couple hps, moving again, healing. Some people are really fast (looking at you in particular Berston) and I get caught when healing, but I also die a fair bit trying to defend my cabal or having to get the standard back and having to double back into the room Beston/Decimus/Danpher is in and eating another round of murder/forms/autodirt-disarm-shielddisarm/etc. Sometimes I just mess up after a haymaker or get hit by the dispel trap. I just thought clerics would be more of a defensive powerhouse than they are, or at least allow some margin of error. Maybe I'll get the hang of it before this character is over. 🤣

I'll mull this over and see if I can think of a different approach, because the ones I've been using clearly isn't working. It's been suggested I go for all the health items and duke it out like a mage instead (kinda makes me upset when my path hits for 'wounds'), and it's been suggested I just get as big of a weapon I can find and play more towards a melee build. A lot of people have different advice in that regard, so that's something to try out at least. Thanks for your advice.

• Riona

Anonymous poster hash: d8186...b87

temporal storm does not depend on saves.  it NEVER misses.  Period.  Any thought you have to the contrary is wrong.  

Age - > then use shield after fleeing.  not hard.

Temporal storm - if he has it already, it wont hit again until it drops.  It lasts 2 - 3 tics (6 tics but its effect makes everything he has expire double time), you should learn this, and time your attacks with it.  Avoiding engagement the ENTIRE time it is on him, then engaging once you know it down for the sheer purpose of putting it back up.  you can win a fight by doing just this.  It just takes a long time.  it is a debuff, not an aff attack.  They do not heal naturally at all, ALSO their mana is backwards too, and it makes stance last ike 2 - 3 tics.  So they will slowly exhaust all their mana, restancing over and over, losing it.  

Path - Kill. People.  go hunt down goodies or something.  You need pk's for path to be strong.

4 hours ago, Kyzarius said:

DONT FIGHT MOUNTED, not sure if you did or not but this is crucial.  Trust me.

This sounds anecdotal and screams of a logical fallacy.

Why not fight mounted?  Because paladins get a mounted combat skill and nobody else does?  Fairly sure they get a bonus when fighting mounted.  I'm also confident that there's no penalty for everyone else.  I'd love to know your reasoning behind your claim.  I've noticed nothing when I've done my "extensive testing" concerning this subject.

Of course, if an Imm chimes in on this with the actual info concerning this, I'm all ears.

My assumption is that it's an autosneak thing. Half-drow get autosneak? I'm pretty sure that's what Kyz is referring to, though not 100%.

Now that would be a good reason.  "Trust me" isn't. :D

It has always been my understanding that there are direct detractors coded in the game that hamper combat skills while mounted without the mounted skill.   If you can deny them, please do.  Though I have seen it confirmed a few times on the forums over the years.  

If you would prefer to ignore me because of logical fallacy, then so be it.

That I didn’t know. Do you have a link? I’m genuinely interested. Imms confirm?

this is from Cel's post. 

"Mounted combat hurts everyone except paladins (DISMOUNT BEFORE COMBAT)."

 

so anecdotal your logical fallacy out the window. bud. ;)

We had it "confirmed" a few times over the years that burning trains for HP while leveling will cause you to gain fewer HP on level, too.

Needless to say, I'm skeptical about a lot of information floating around unless I see it first hand or have empirical proof otherwise.

If we're talking about the paladin mounted combat, there's nothing there that states there's a detriment, only a bonus.

In the code, there's bonuses and penalties for various things (eg: against blackjack [picked at random, not sure if that's actually one currently]), but I'm fairly sure that's just concerning the mounted combat skill, nothing else.

`MOUNTED COMBAT

Syntax:  automatic

 

  While the use various horses and beasts for travel is common in the

lands of Aabahran, the skills to actual carry meaningful combat while

mounted upon a steed are all but unknown.  Yet those whom mastery this

fine art can enter combat upon their steeds and thus benefit from their

stability as well as strike terrible blows at their victims while charging

with a pole weapon.

See also: HELP MOUNT`

`MOUNT

Syntax:  mount          : mounts a rented or summoned creature (mounted affect)

         mount : mounts a creature present in a room

         dismount

 

  The land of Aabahran is large indeed, and many a sole has been

worn out upon its paths and roads.  To ease the burden of travel

many have begun to use various creatures to ride upon their backs.

While mounted you will experience a minor movement bonus and more 

importantly be able to recover your stamina much faster then on

foot.  Note that if you are summoned, or otherwise forcibly moved,

you will be automaticly dismounted.

 

 Note that while common mounts give benefits which are below that of

an average flight spell, the duration of their stay is far long. Those

mounts that posses ability to fly (manticores, pegasus, nightmares etc.)

give the user the same movement reduction as a flight spell, without

protection against trip.`

See also: HELP MOUNTED COMBAT

`The logical fallacy was the "trust me."

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/115/Just-Because-Fallacy`

So fight mounted.  I wont.  

I used to have a copy of that old code, but don't anymore.  So I cant pull snippets.

Cel also did said this in the same post:

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Save practices/trains for hp/mana/moves until 50. If you apply them earlier, you will gain less per level as the code tries to 'moderate' your hp/etc back to standard.

Which has always been incorrect as far as I'm aware.

 

Now I'm not saying you're wrong in this.  It could be 100% accurate.  What I am saying is I'm skeptical and need proof rather than supposition.  Anecdotal.

Will you have any ill effects if you dismount for combat if this isn't correct?  Nope.  Not a one.  Except maybe "normal" move cost.  It's certainly a safe option until proven otherwise.