lack of good staffs

HERB RANT!

I love it.

Now back on topic.

It's not up to the skill of your opponent but up to your own skill Mya. That is the difference. A cursed staff can make up for your lack of skill. Without a cursed staff though, then you really need to pay attention and not just spam ice stor/hellstream.

Invokers are not meant to constantly have cursed staffs, if they were then they would have a skill to curse it. You can obtain one though, just as you can have 50 charged staff's in your locker.

That being said, I remember losing 10 fully charged staff's to scholin. I never bothered wielding my cane with a soul tear against her though

With my invokers I use the staff from the cloud kingdom. Its not a weapon. Its a stave. I can charge it to maximum, wear it, and wield a charged marmelade Orb. Thats invokers.

As for melee staffs, I am with nameless, there are several. And they are two handed. A ranger without a second staff in inventory is ill prepared. A warrior can warrior lore and keep his in his hands. Socketable staffs are out there, I have seen them.

Never. EVER. cast while wearing 2 charged items. It will end poorly.

I raize you with a Never Ever try to mana charge when you only have 1% skill on it.

Never. EVER. cast while wearing 2 charged items. It will end poorly.

This. It's like skydiving with a set of nerf wings while on heroin. It looks good on paper at the time, but you'll just end up dead. D:

Well' date=' I don't see how your opponent being skilled has anything to do with you picking the staff from the ground and wielding it again.[/quote']

Unless you're keeping them blinded with firestorm I don't see how you're going to pick it up from the ground against anyone?...If I'm disarming the pc I'm blinding them first.

Also, Suppose they dont try and blind you, they just disarm and you're casting your 2 round lag reduced to 1 round lag spells. You're going to consistently rely on hoping that if they disarm as you cast that 2 round spell you'll be able to pick it up the next round during all of your fights against those with disarm?

I think you're unrealistic.

With my invokers I use the staff from the cloud kingdom. Its not a weapon. Its a stave. I can charge it to maximum, wear it, and wield a charged marmelade Orb. Thats invokers.

As for melee staffs, I am with nameless, there are several. And they are two handed. A ranger without a second staff in inventory is ill prepared. A warrior can warrior lore and keep his in his hands. Socketable staffs are out there, I have seen them.

So you're saying that you wear two charged items but yet two people just said that you REALLY don't want to do that because it hurts. Did you in fact do this?

So you're saying that you wear two charged items but yet two people just said that you REALLY don't want to do that because it hurts. Did you in fact do this?
I have. Hurts..? Maybe they should be awesome like me. Its a choose your poison situation. By wearing both I am always prepared. If someone who can not disarm attacks I remove the orb, if I believe they can and will disarm I remove the staff.

I know nameless has.

I've seen the results. It was awesome. Like a firecracker. Give it a go.

On another note, I just had a random idea. What about using a stave (charged) and the silver flute from Thalos that allows parry and two handed(obviously I know invokers dont get two handed)? That'd be like.. Undisarmable and parrying madness with a fully charged stave to blast people with... Or can you disarm instruments? I dont know.

trouble is charged orbs and staffs get cleaved and your like "crap, that was a lot of preparation, and its, its, its freakin gone!". A stave in the off hand is a vokers best friend.

The trouble in that Aulian is technically the flute is not a weapon, it is held, but I dont think the game lets you "hold" two items at once.

Unless you're keeping them blinded with firestorm I don't see how you're going to pick it up from the ground against anyone?...If I'm disarming the pc I'm blinding them first.

Mate, when you disarm me I can pick up my weapon and wield it again before tha round has passed. If you can't do it, then I am sorry, but I can, and 70% of the people out there can do it as well. Even Mya who claims that disarm is the end of invoker who doesn't have a cursed staff can do it.

In the worst case for me, you will disarm me right after I have cast a spell and I will get 1 round of lag before I pick up my staff.

The really smart invokers though wait for the noobi warrior to disarm them, then they get the staff from the ground, wield it, dispel him and toss two hellstreams at him while he is still lagged. Then you can only pray you haven't spammed another command, because you are getting two more unsanced hellstreams in your face.

Dirt? Please...

Mate.....EVERYTHING YOU SAID

Didn't want a huge quote.

Dude, you make so many assumptions when you post it's unbelievable.

1. You're assuming you're not blind. As I said ALWAYS BLIND BEFORE DISARM. It's like disarming a mob you're fighting while it's not blind, just retarded.

2. On the second part which is just a bonus you're assuming that you're dispelling them on the 1st try which I guess would be interesting if you did that on the 1st try every time. Is everyone you fight naked?

3. You're assuming you're casting 1 round lag spells or that your staff which isn't a cursed staff so it cant be THAT charged to the point that you dont have to worry at all about 2 round lag spells not actually costing 2 rounds of lag.

Edit: Oh and go play an Invoker and fight Thulgan, Gygwuut, Slinore or Grum without a cursed staff. Log it and show me how you do. Or hell, just point me to one pk log of you as an invoker so I can see you in action doing this and I will admit defeat and shut my mouth.

Uhm. I had an invoker recently who I feel did at least OK. I fought lots of hardasses without cursed weaponry. You do not HAVE to have a cursed staff, it is just an easy button. In all honesty you parry just as good with an Awl Pike (1 handed staff) as you do with a bone cane/pincer/retribution/clockstaff/rod of domination etc etc.

I suggest that you dont allow yourself to fall into what I now call the Mya mold. Where everything works exactly as it should, and every char works exactly like all others of it's class. You can't say you will lose without a cursed staff anymore than you can say you will win with one. I have won PLENTY of pks with a staffless invoker. Hell my reaver invokers never used a staff. You wanna tell me that a reaver voker sucks, you can kick rocks

Try stepping back and thinking out of the box. You will be amazed what you come up with.

Also try not to sound so aggressive in your posts. I can see that your a strongly opinionated person, but alot of us here are. As you can see in the forums, alot of "debates" turn into flame fests quickly.

Uhm. I had an invoker recently who I feel did at least OK. I fought lots of hardasses without cursed weaponry. You do not HAVE to have a cursed staff, it is just an easy button. In all honesty you parry just as good with an Awl Pike (1 handed staff) as you do with a bone cane/pincer/retribution/clockstaff/rod of domination etc etc.

I suggest that you dont allow yourself to fall into what I now call the Mya mold. Where everything works exactly as it should, and every char works exactly like all others of it's class. You can't say you will lose without a cursed staff anymore than you can say you will win with one. I have won PLENTY of pks with a staffless invoker. Hell my reaver invokers never used a staff. You wanna tell me that a reaver voker sucks, you can kick rocks

Try stepping back and thinking out of the box. You will be amazed what you come up with.

Also try not to sound so aggressive in your posts. I can see that your a strongly opinionated person, but alot of us here are. As you can see in the forums, alot of "debates" turn into flame fests quickly.

This post is about STAFFS which is why I'm talking about them in particular. And if anyone recalls, I never mentioned invokers. I just dislike when someone states that they can ALWAYS do something when fact is, things happen.

a peaceful discussion begets correct answers, a heated debate will only beget enemies who will refuse to share their knowledge.

a peaceful discussion begets correct answers' date=' a heated debate will only beget enemies who will refuse to share their knowledge.[/quote']

takes the sparring gloves off I guess I came off more mad than I actually am I'm from the Northeast, we're intense

Yea I would be pissed if everyone of my sports franchises failed to do anything too

Try stepping back and thinking out of the box. You will be amazed what you come up with.

This.

If you are not willing to try things the hard way, you will never learn to do them properly.

If I tell you that invokers can lag, you will laugh at me. Every class can lag if played properly.

The only difference is that I as an invoker know that I can lag you, while you on the other hand are not even willing to even try it, because it's an "assumption".

I don't want you to tell me whether my tactic would work or not. I've tested it for myself and I've seen that it works. What is the result? I can play an invoker successfully without the need of a cursed staff. And you? You can keep arguing how dependant they are on weapons.

This reminds me of an old argument with Zrothum where I said a BMG can cast two sears in one round and he jumped on me because this is oh-so-impossible.

I'm sure you can play one without a cursed staff. Picking up your disarmed weapon after being disarmed is what im debating.

Now part of what I had originally intended this thread to be about was choosing staff was mastery and not being able to find a cursed one. Even as a warrior it sucks being disarmed and losing everything but dodge and riposte.