Locked Hwaarhuh (uncabaled Feral Ninja) vs Ahxnar (Syndi E Ogre Ranger)

https://theforsakenlands.com/topic/41774-feral-nin-vs-und-monk/

Consistent non vuln caps damage with 38 damroll, and 0 buffs beyond class skills, and forgot some of those.

And truthfully there aren't many logs of ninjas on forum. I'm speaking from personal experience. Having played 3 dblsheath  (elf, human avatar, slith) 2 lotus scourge  (undead, and slith). The elf, with no vuln arrows, bad eq and terrible hit dam absolutely pummeled a decked vamp with just murder and push. As well as having fought a great many ninjas. These classes where much more lethal with less effort required for consumables and armor. It's crazy that you so adamantly disagree with what is a fairly common opinion of ninjas. I am far from the only person who thinks so

f0xx are you playing again?

I don't understand what is going on here....

I ask for a log where your opponent plays well and you still destroy him.

Trick posts a log of some fire giant that's completely inadequate - second part of the log he is blind the entire time while you are hasted and not blind. He's trying to run away from you while you are having a field day with him, murdering then him fleeing. What do you expect to happen? First part is a bit more interesting, but again, all he does is 2 dirt kicks, first one you avoid smartly, second one is gona after one round due to bad timing. Not a single haymaker, roar, weapon cleave, or (contrary to what you said) RAGE. He wasn't raged so you're basically fighting a gimped fire warrior who's not even using a fire weapon. Is this how you play your fire giants Trick? Is this your definition of "good play"?

2 hours ago, Trick said:

A raged FG zerk losing to a ninja with a massive EQ disparity?

We see his EQ, which is not "not great, not terrible". We don't see yours though, but we know you wear a mask of discord, which everyone knows is a very "mediocre" item. I assume your other items are quite "mediocre" too.

On the other hand Tarako's log is even funnier, since he shows a log where he's fighting Agmeel who's trying to take his standard and is not even targetting him. Once he starts targetting him, he dies.

Still claims ninjas are OP though.

I’ll get the other log ready when I can.

And @f0xx, look at your log. Your opponent dropped his stance twice when fighting you and took massacres/dismembers from it.. that’s good play to you?

That’s how you’d play your Gladiators? 

You can also look at my log vs Medvhaar. A character that was dominating everyone AND played by a VERY good PKer.

2 minutes ago, Trick said:

I’ll get the other log ready when I can.

And @f0xx, look at your log. Your opponent dropped his stance twice when fighting you and took massacres/dismembers from it.. that’s good play to you?

That’s how you’d play your Gladiators?

Kelmi did make some small mistakes, still won though, against my ninja. Does that prove your point that ninjas are OP though?

I can go through your log and point out your mistakes to disprove your point that they aren’t op...

1 minute ago, Trick said:

I can go through your log and out your bad plays and prove that they aren’t OP?

I don't quite understand what you mean....

Rhextar was a minotaur... unless fire giants have horns and hooves...? Just pointing that out.

I didn't play kittori

5 minutes ago, f0xx said:

I don't quite understand what you mean....

Edited it. Sorry, my fingers went faster than my brain.

10 minutes ago, 'tarako said:

I didn't play kittori

That was Zrothum no?

Ninjas consistently hit harder, and more often, under the same circumstances as dedicated melee characters with less eq. In that log kittori had 38 damage roll, and was consistently hitting for caps through sanc. He's also throwing out 4 to 6 attacks very very often.

2 minutes ago, English lad said:

That was Zrothum no?

I don't remember. I just looked at ninja logs on forums.

@Rygothran I am sorry Rygo, I go by the information I get provided with. Trick claims he is fighting a raged fire giant who is decked while he himself is naked, but it turns out that he is fighting non-raged mino zerker who is only modestly dressed while he himself is decked.

This is why I don't like commenting on logs that provide so little actual information. I mean, I don't think Trick lied intentionally, but in his mind ninjas are so OP, that his brain itself creates scenarios that support his claim. If he was actually to read his log with a critical view, he would find himself that he won so decisively only becuase 1) He played well 2) His opponent didn't and 3) He had EQ advantage.

2 minutes ago, 'tarako said:

Ninjas consistently hit harder, and more often, under the same circumstances as dedicated melee characters with less eq. In that log kittori had 38 damage roll, and was consistently hitting for caps through sanc. He's also throwing out 4 to 6 attacks very very often.

Again more claims without any actual proof.

I am getting a deja vu with you Tarako. Every debate people have with you, turns out the same way. You just repeat the same thing over and over, completely ignoring every argument brought.

It's "killing for profit is evil" all over again.

Did you even read the log I linked. This ninja had no combat buffs, and clearly basic eq but was beating on agmeel. You are the one ignoring arguments. Ninjas dominating melee combat in sub par eq vs straight melee classes without using most of their bag of tricks. What else do you need to see. A ds ninja winning with 20 20 hit dam

26 minutes ago, f0xx said:

@Rygothran I am sorry Rygo, I go by the information I get provided with. Trick claims he is fighting a raged fire giant who is decked while he himself is naked, but it turns out that he is fighting non-raged mino zerker who is only modestly dressed while he himself is decked.

This is why I don't like commenting on logs that provide so little actual information. I mean, I don't think Trick lied intentionally, but in his mind ninjas are so OP, that his brain itself creates scenarios that support his claim. If he was actually to read his log with a critical view, he would find himself that he won so decisively only becuase 1) He played well 2) His opponent didn't and 3) He had EQ advantage.

Okay, first of all @f0xx, you’re so beyond arrogant that it’s not even funny. Don’t speak to Rygo and flame me. I don’t understand why you are even able to post anymore following your constant flames. It’s like the IMMs just ignore it..

Second of all, when I get a chance tomorrow I’ll post the log I was trying to post where the zerk got off a gang and managed to heavily loot and I capped him from cabal outfit.

To say comments that I believe ninjas are so OP that id make up a scenario is beyond ridiculous and I am honestly shocked you would say such a thing.

Ok. Lets stop there.

Or I will have Auntie Lloth Stop it for you.

I would like to see two comparison logs.

One DS dual wielding one DS twohanded. Please provide if you are able. I currently suspect twohanded synergy with jutsu to need looking into. But I need logs to prove my theory. Help if you wish, but do not get a thread locked with nonsense.

9 minutes ago, Trick said:

Okay, first of all @f0xx, you’re so beyond arrogant that it’s not even funny. Don’t speak to Rygo and flame me. I don’t understand why you are even able to post anymore following your constant flames. It’s like the IMMs just ignore it..

Second of all, when I get a chance tomorrow I’ll post the log I was trying to post where the zerk got off a gang and managed to heavily loot and I capped him from cabal outfit.

To say comments that I believe ninjas are so OP that id make up a scenario is beyond ridiculous and I am honestly shocked you would say such a thing.

First of all, @Trick, that was not a flame. I was trying to come up with a logical explanation for the large discrepencies betweem your claims and the actual facts. If you want to address and explain them, please do so.

You said he was a fire giant and he wasn't.

You said he was raged, and he wasn't.

You said he had huge EQ advantage, and he didn't.

That being said, I've never acted disrespectful to you in any manner or form and you know that I hold nothing but great respect towards you, even after you've openly flamed me and asked the IMMs to ban me in multiple posts now.

Maybe you don't realize how abrasive you are f0xx. The way you deliver thoughts is, in my eyes, easy to read as arrogant and inflammatory. If that isn't your intent I'll offer an apology, as maybe it's language barrier. I just often feel that you're very sarcastic, and never offer any actual advice. You just call people idiots in a roundabout way and never give counters besides blanket "you're wrong" statements