Consistent non vuln caps damage with 38 damroll, and 0 buffs beyond class skills, and forgot some of those.
And truthfully there aren't many logs of ninjas on forum. I'm speaking from personal experience. Having played 3 dblsheath (elf, human avatar, slith) 2 lotus scourge (undead, and slith). The elf, with no vuln arrows, bad eq and terrible hit dam absolutely pummeled a decked vamp with just murder and push. As well as having fought a great many ninjas. These classes where much more lethal with less effort required for consumables and armor. It's crazy that you so adamantly disagree with what is a fairly common opinion of ninjas. I am far from the only person who thinks so
I ask for a log where your opponent plays well and you still destroy him.
Trick posts a log of some fire giant that's completely inadequate - second part of the log he is blind the entire time while you are hasted and not blind. He's trying to run away from you while you are having a field day with him, murdering then him fleeing. What do you expect to happen? First part is a bit more interesting, but again, all he does is 2 dirt kicks, first one you avoid smartly, second one is gona after one round due to bad timing. Not a single haymaker, roar, weapon cleave, or (contrary to what you said) RAGE. He wasn't raged so you're basically fighting a gimped fire warrior who's not even using a fire weapon. Is this how you play your fire giants Trick? Is this your definition of "good play"?
2 hours ago, Trick said:
A raged FG zerk losing to a ninja with a massive EQ disparity?
We see his EQ, which is not "not great, not terrible". We don't see yours though, but we know you wear a mask of discord, which everyone knows is a very "mediocre" item. I assume your other items are quite "mediocre" too.
On the other hand Tarako's log is even funnier, since he shows a log where he's fighting Agmeel who's trying to take his standard and is not even targetting him. Once he starts targetting him, he dies.
Ninjas consistently hit harder, and more often, under the same circumstances as dedicated melee characters with less eq. In that log kittori had 38 damage roll, and was consistently hitting for caps through sanc. He's also throwing out 4 to 6 attacks very very often.
@Rygothran I am sorry Rygo, I go by the information I get provided with. Trick claims he is fighting a raged fire giant who is decked while he himself is naked, but it turns out that he is fighting non-raged mino zerker who is only modestly dressed while he himself is decked.
This is why I don't like commenting on logs that provide so little actual information. I mean, I don't think Trick lied intentionally, but in his mind ninjas are so OP, that his brain itself creates scenarios that support his claim. If he was actually to read his log with a critical view, he would find himself that he won so decisively only becuase 1) He played well 2) His opponent didn't and 3) He had EQ advantage.
Ninjas consistently hit harder, and more often, under the same circumstances as dedicated melee characters with less eq. In that log kittori had 38 damage roll, and was consistently hitting for caps through sanc. He's also throwing out 4 to 6 attacks very very often.
Again more claims without any actual proof.
I am getting a deja vu with you Tarako. Every debate people have with you, turns out the same way. You just repeat the same thing over and over, completely ignoring every argument brought.
Did you even read the log I linked. This ninja had no combat buffs, and clearly basic eq but was beating on agmeel. You are the one ignoring arguments. Ninjas dominating melee combat in sub par eq vs straight melee classes without using most of their bag of tricks. What else do you need to see. A ds ninja winning with 20 20 hit dam
@Rygothran I am sorry Rygo, I go by the information I get provided with. Trick claims he is fighting a raged fire giant who is decked while he himself is naked, but it turns out that he is fighting non-raged mino zerker who is only modestly dressed while he himself is decked.
This is why I don't like commenting on logs that provide so little actual information. I mean, I don't think Trick lied intentionally, but in his mind ninjas are so OP, that his brain itself creates scenarios that support his claim. If he was actually to read his log with a critical view, he would find himself that he won so decisively only becuase 1) He played well 2) His opponent didn't and 3) He had EQ advantage.
Okay, first of all @f0xx, you’re so beyond arrogant that it’s not even funny. Don’t speak to Rygo and flame me. I don’t understand why you are even able to post anymore following your constant flames. It’s like the IMMs just ignore it..
Second of all, when I get a chance tomorrow I’ll post the log I was trying to post where the zerk got off a gang and managed to heavily loot and I capped him from cabal outfit.
To say comments that I believe ninjas are so OP that id make up a scenario is beyond ridiculous and I am honestly shocked you would say such a thing.
One DS dual wielding one DS twohanded. Please provide if you are able. I currently suspect twohanded synergy with jutsu to need looking into. But I need logs to prove my theory. Help if you wish, but do not get a thread locked with nonsense.
Okay, first of all @f0xx, you’re so beyond arrogant that it’s not even funny. Don’t speak to Rygo and flame me. I don’t understand why you are even able to post anymore following your constant flames. It’s like the IMMs just ignore it..
Second of all, when I get a chance tomorrow I’ll post the log I was trying to post where the zerk got off a gang and managed to heavily loot and I capped him from cabal outfit.
To say comments that I believe ninjas are so OP that id make up a scenario is beyond ridiculous and I am honestly shocked you would say such a thing.
First of all, @Trick, that was not a flame. I was trying to come up with a logical explanation for the large discrepencies betweem your claims and the actual facts. If you want to address and explain them, please do so.
You said he was a fire giant and he wasn't.
You said he was raged, and he wasn't.
You said he had huge EQ advantage, and he didn't.
That being said, I've never acted disrespectful to you in any manner or form and you know that I hold nothing but great respect towards you, even after you've openly flamed me and asked the IMMs to ban me in multiple posts now.
Maybe you don't realize how abrasive you are f0xx. The way you deliver thoughts is, in my eyes, easy to read as arrogant and inflammatory. If that isn't your intent I'll offer an apology, as maybe it's language barrier. I just often feel that you're very sarcastic, and never offer any actual advice. You just call people idiots in a roundabout way and never give counters besides blanket "you're wrong" statements