Doublesheath

Ok, this is how doublesheath works.

When I am dual wielding and someone disarms me, it automatically switches to my next set or my next weapon (which ever is sheathed). I do not believe it should automatically switch to the sheathed weapon(s) unless my first set of weapon(s) are completely removed.

say I'm wielding two daggers and one is disarmed, it changes me to my polearm

shouldnt i still just be wearing my single dagger unless i decided to switch weapons myself? I mean unless i am blinded i still have an opportunity to pick up such weapon or wield it again from my inventory

And if you are blinded, you are at a severe disadvantage if it doesn't automatically switch it for you. Especially if you are a blademaster, which I have to assume you are. You are losing about 5 different skills (your stance provided you are in one, powerstrike, dual parry, predict, and twin counter) without actually replacing them at all with the superior defensive capabilities of that polearm (two handed, ability to doublegrip, the fact it is a friggin polearm). You are essentially asking to be nerfed for some reason.

True, but that is the point of entering the command of draw and not forcing you to automatically switch. Losing some of those skills and stances would be an automatic loss if you were in a dual wield stance and was forced to switch to a two handed weapon.

But you would gain certain advantages of the two handed weapon... having only one 1her doesn't in anyway give you any sort of advantage.

Sticking with the one hander gives you an option to double grip it or grab/dual wield the other weapon.

I'm not too savvy on blade masters but is this a job for the auto-sheath command?

If not, why not re-enter draw and change back?

L-A

Again... it is a nerf, not a buff you are suggesting. You have dirt in your eyes... you aren't re-equiping anything. Sure you can double grip a sword/spear/exo... but at what point are you actually wanting to do that instead of a polearm? I get your side of the debate... but you are factually hurting your own character with this suggestion. You have to consider it in a worst case scenario, not a "Oh I got disarmed when I can clearly see, so the opponent actually just wasted their own time". You are essentially suggesting a strength of doublesheath become a weakness instead.

Again... it is a nerf' date=' not a buff you are suggesting. You have dirt in your eyes... you aren't re-equiping anything. Sure you can double grip a sword/spear/exo... but at what point are you actually wanting to do that instead of a polearm? I get your side of the debate... but you are factually hurting your own character with this suggestion. You have to consider it in a worst case scenario, not a "Oh I got disarmed when I can clearly see, so the opponent actually just wasted their own time". You are essentially suggesting a strength of doublesheath become a weakness instead.[/quote']

This.

A more effective solution would be to double grip your drawn polearm, pick up the dropped weapon, and have a macro keyed to "sheath sec". Then you get all the benefits of your double-gripped polearm while re-equipping your dropped weapon.

If for some reason you're using a much heavier primary, set your macro to unequip your now doublesheathed weapon, then re-sheath in the proper order and then draw. All those commands would take, what, a round and a half, maybe two? Then you can go right back to your dual-wield pounding.

Again... it is a nerf' date=' not a buff you are suggesting. You have dirt in your eyes... you aren't re-equiping anything. Sure you can double grip a sword/spear/exo... but at what point are you actually wanting to do that instead of a polearm? I get your side of the debate... but you are factually hurting your own character with this suggestion. You have to consider it in a worst case scenario, not a "Oh I got disarmed when I can clearly see, so the opponent actually just wasted their own time". You are essentially suggesting a strength of doublesheath become a weakness instead.[/quote']

I don't doubt you're right - but it's not really the point. If he wants to nerf himself he should be able to. Is there a way?

L-A

Again... it is a nerf' date=' not a buff you are suggesting. You have dirt in your eyes... you aren't re-equiping anything. Sure you can double grip a sword/spear/exo... but at what point are you actually wanting to do that instead of a polearm? I get your side of the debate... but you are factually hurting your own character with this suggestion. You have to consider it in a worst case scenario, not a "Oh I got disarmed when I can clearly see, so the opponent actually just wasted their own time". You are essentially suggesting a strength of doublesheath become a weakness instead.[/quote']

You can use the draw command when you are blind so this idea would not be a nerf at all. Ayroduth has a point, and I used to bring up doublesheath annoyances a lot when I played blms and rogues. There should be much more control over double sheathing.

If you have 4 one handed weapons and your primary or secondary weapon is disarmed you have two choices, replace the lost weapon or swap to the two sheathed ones.

Generally for two one handers and a two hander it works fine, and could be improved by allowing for a real autosheath command not just one that determines what you do when entering a lawful area.

A new autosheath command would also make quality of life a little easier for theives and ninjas who keep something sheathed but dont always want to autodraw when disarmed.

if I recall correctly, you will draw your polearm (I thinking of a BLM here) even if you are lagged or have stacked a command. It would factually nerf that extra survivability unless I am remembering incorrectly. Perhaps a better sheath system would be more effective. Where you could toggle if doublesheath actually pulls that second set or not.

Not a nerf and a very sensible idea.

I am for it. Although, blademasters don't really need anything, the current state of doublesheat is a bit broken.

The drawing of the second set of weapons should be triggered only by the "draw" command or when both of your weapons are disarmed.

Not a nerf and a very sensible idea.

I am for it. Although, blademasters don't really need anything, the current state of doublesheat is a bit broken.

The drawing of the second set of weapons should be triggered only by the "draw" command or when both of your weapons are disarmed.

I like that idea - only when both are disarmed or the command is given.

L-A

And if you are blinded' date=' you are at a severe disadvantage if it doesn't automatically switch it for you. Especially if you are a blademaster, which I have to assume you are. You are losing about 5 different skills (your stance provided you are in one, powerstrike, dual parry, predict, and twin counter) without actually replacing them at all with the superior defensive capabilities of that polearm (two handed, ability to doublegrip, the fact it is a friggin polearm). You are essentially asking to be nerfed for some reason.[/quote']

but then all you have to do is type draw.

dont have to see, to draw.

The double sheath system is borked, has been for a long long time. You can find numerous threads about how it basically disamrs you and causes you to lose.

The question I have is if you can actually execute a draw command despite being lagged? I am fairly certain you will still draw your polearm if you get disarmed even if lagged. That is the lynch pin of my argument.

The question I have is if you can actually execute a draw command despite being lagged? I am fairly certain you will still draw your polearm if you get disarmed even if lagged. That is the lynch pin of my argument.

The drawing of the doublesheated weapons happens automatically right now, so yes, if you are lagged and disarmed at the same time you will draw your weapons, since you are not actually inputting a command.

So there you go... while it might jam you up in certain scenarios... it will actually save your life in others. I wouldn't switch it directly to force you to draw, because it would nerf that survivability. I say make it one of the toggles on the auto list at most.

I wouldn't switch it directly to force you to draw' date=' because it would nerf that survivability.[/quote']

Noone ever suggested so. If you scroll a bit up, you will see the following:

The drawing of the second set of weapons should be triggered only by the "draw" command or when both of your weapons are disarmed.

There is no sense in drawing your sheated set of weapons when you are already holding one.

Not just that, but if you are wielding two weapons and have a polearm sheated, when one of your two weapons gets disarmed, you draw the polearm and since it can not be dual wielded you remove all of your weapons and are left weaponless.

The drawing that happens when you are disarmed is not the same as the draw command. It just replaces the disarmed weapon.

Not just that, but if you are wielding two weapons and have a polearm sheated, when one of your two weapons gets disarmed, you draw the polearm and since it can not be dual wielded you remove all of your weapons and are left weaponless.

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THIS, 10k times.

If primary is disarmed, draw happens PRIOR to moving the secondary to the primary hand. Thus causing you to end up with NO weapons wielded at all.

This is such a glaring bug it hurts the eyes.

Well, I have yet to see doublesheath leave me weaponless. In terms of my blm, if my primary is disarmed while I am dual wielding then it removes my weapons with the exception of drawing and wielding my sheathed polearm. I made this post to say that before auto-drawing my other weapon it should leave the secondary weapon to transfer to the primary. This could give the player an opportunity to dual wield again.

Now in terms of being blind and disarmed then your on your own. If your foolish enough to remain in battle while blind with a weapon that can be disarmed than thats your own fault. There are ways around it.

But, if I am dual wielding and in a dual wield ONLY stance and it switches to my polearm then I am losing the affects of my stance. Now if I am not blinded, I should be able to grab my weapon and dual wield it.

As of this moment, I'd have to sheath my weapons (which still fails occasionally while mastered, which sucks majorly in combat) then draw rather than just dual wielding such weapon. It adds more commands to be entered than what should be just to wield weapons.