Would have thought of bards as rogues...
Rangers should lose call lightning
What's the class like at lvl 50 these days? If ogre rangers are running rampant perhaps there aren't any/enough of their foil classes out there?
Shamen and invokers? (I've seen a eq'd ogre ranger killed by an invoker before the lag for dirt kick ran out. Yes, they had saves). A well played necro would probably get it all over a ogre ranger, though it could be a very ugly battle.
I still think the vuln for ogres makes them a balanced race - even with the ranger class. Sure, they have a lot of brute force if used that way, but so do invokers...
L-A
Seriously. I'd like to see a high-dex invoker with the balls to deck out in all +hp gear. Elf invoker with 1500 hp and a fully charged staff? Niiiiiiice.
I managed 1100 with Enellelisell (faerie) at one point, and could have gotten higher (few vital EQ spots could have been replaced with HP gear). Not the highest HP for a Faerie Invoker I'm sure, but did fairly well against most rangers I fought except WMs and one's stacked in saves (mental saves specifically). I pretty much had to rely on dispel magic exclusively, as 1 defense (parry) against 2-3 pets + dual wielding ranger attacks = LOTS of pain, and fast. Add into that, the fact that I can't attrition (excluding consumables) and they can...
Without dispel magic landing, I had a hell of a time. Usually killing pets off wasn't an option at the time, though does help a lot because an invoker can take them down FAST.
Dey
If you want HP and Mana play a gnome, pretty sure they ahve like a 1100 1100 base, or something close to that at 50.
Fae are great in the mana department. I forgot to mention that when I had 1100 HP, I also had 1550 mana. And again, still could have gotten higher as far as HP is concerned.
Dey
EDIT: My Gnome Invoker from a while back had about a 900/1100 base, similar to what Tantangel just posted about with his last Gnome Invoker.
Played 3 Gnomes to 50. Two were well before I knew how to use trains right and max everything enough to have a farely good base. At 50 my first one had around 690hp base and 1000 base mana. Second one had about 750 hp and 1000 base mana. Last one had around 900hp and 1070 mana. So not quite that base, but farely good. With +hp and +mana equipment it can at least get up there fairly high.
I think Ogres should be on the same experience penalty as drows and elfs 500. This would even things out a bit without changing anything.
just give them a real easy to get vuln..
wait...
I'll tell you a power hungry combo and it aint ogre rangers!!!
Slith blademasters.... all arguments will forever cease now.
I nominate healers as the next overpowered class/race combo to be bitched about.
Where've you been? People been bitching about overpowered healers for awhile....
How about those gnome warriors. Those things are scary.
Seriously, and those bashlocking halfling warriors? When will the madness end?
Sarcasim is the lowest form of whit
Sarcasim is the lowest form of whit
And proper spelling is a good sign of intelligence.
I thought it was spelled wit.
I thought it was spelled sarcasm.
He only spelled two wrong so I have nothing to say.
Two out of seven though....
If halfling warriors are overpowered...then whatever school he went to surely needs to be buffed.