Vampires can not join Savant, not since 1.0.
Healers
Vampires can not join Savant' date=' not since 1.0.[/quote']
And back in 1.0, Healers could NOT join Savant. Only cabal this is applicable for is Tribunal.
There were Savant Healers in 2.0 and 3.0.
Herald has nothing specifically preventing it either.
Healers can't kill demons.
Some of the healers ethos prevents them from being able to attack Marty.
And some of the healers ARE making the necros cry.
What ethos could stay an undead slayers hand when it comes to Marty, Lawful ok kill his butt outside the city. It just erks me to see healers come to the forum and whine "(whaaaa) What you mean Im an outcast this sucks, there is no one else to kill" and in game "Ohhh Marty your such a big flirt want to go to my house I'll kill my cat for a date with you you big hulking mass of dead flesh." 
Edit: And also you state some healers, gee ok thats two or three what about the other 30 of them.
As for my reasoning... I agree that it's debateable. That was the original point.
And I'm doing so. So go ahead and debate.
I would go so far as to say that having a healer who is in any way not hostile to a vampire or associates or cooperates with one is abuse.
There were Savant Healers in 2.0 and 3.0.
Herald has nothing specifically preventing it either.
Yes, but no vampires.
"Ohhh Marty your such a big flirt want to go to my house I'll kill my cat for a date with you you big hulking mass of dead flesh."
hehehehehe, that's funny.
And I'm doing so. So go ahead and debate.
I would go so far as to say that having a healer who is in any way not hostile to a vampire or associates or cooperates with one is abuse.
...That depends on the religion of the Healer, I think.
And how is it abuse to allow RP to actually weaken a character?
There is NOTHING wrong with playing a healer who won't attack anyone, undeads included. You're a complete pacifist, just want to help people. Nothing wrong with that. Hell... that's what Pali was for most of the time I played him. Had some great times chatting with various vamps/undeads.
There is NOTHING wrong with playing a healer who won't attack anyone' date=' undeads included. You're a complete pacifist, just want to help people. Nothing wrong with that. Hell... that's what Pali was for most of the time I played him. Had some great times chatting with various vamps/undeads.[/quote']
Okay then I limit my statement to cooperating with a vampire in any way, such as working with one to take over all of the Forsaken Lands in one big empire.
Moreover if you're in Tribunal you ain't a pacifist.
Again, I say Healers suck. Nuff said. Thank you, drive on through.
Okay then I limit my statement to cooperating with a vampire in any way, such as working with one to take over all of the Forsaken Lands in one big empire.
Moreover if you're in Tribunal you ain't a pacifist.
I think there could be some interesting role play to explain why Healers and Vampires would work together to take over the world.
Maybe there is.
And as already stated, Tribunals have no interest in taking over the world.
Couldn't a Council Healer be a pacifist, or are ALL Tribunals required to go after Wanteds?
You could look at the role call. The 'pacifists' don't really have any captures. I guess they can still mark people wanted though, as well as defend the altar; I think that means they do plenty.
Ok, after reading all that I have decided I need to ask a question or two before I roll up a healer. I had a healer a long time ago and I obtained a total of two kills neither of which was undead. The first was a bersurker who attacked me raged and died when I didnt bother to type flee. The second was a battlemage who attacked me, fled almost dead and sat in the room right next to me. I walked in he taunted me a bit and I killed him. I Rped it out as I was a storm giant and they are quick to anger and every one was happy with it. Also there was an imm watching cause I was rping with him at the time too. Now the questions, was I out of line, was the imm just being lazy, or was that allowed? Also, is that allowed now, chasing an opponent a bit for the kill? Again, that is for a bit, not attacking, chasing for three days and finally getting the kill. Finally I never read Viri's Healer Mandatum post could that be brought back somewhere or have a link to it or something?
Attacks you and flees to the next room and taunts you when you walk in when he's at awful? I'd probably let that one go too.
Not because it's great healer RP but because people who are that dumb need to learn that it's ridiculous to taunt someone while you're bleeding on your boots.
And we do watch the healers and there is a big difference between simply killing someone who attacked you and being aggressive.
I am so tired of hearing this and that healers using the loophole of "im not going to kill them, we are only fighting." Thats ****. It's a cheap loophole, but it IS a loophole. They have overtly broken no rules, and if they do they are delt with. If healers are that much of a problem to you, go shaman. Chew on some faces. I am just really tired of hearing people complain. I agree that healers horde the ultra rares. and don't do much but annoy the hell out of you. But jeezus, this mud has upwards of 30,000 rooms, the healer can take ONE of them. Perhaps you could occupy one of the 29,999 rooms left? Perhaps it could be programmed it to where they can attack only undead players?
Ok' date=' after reading all that I have decided I need to ask a question or two before I roll up a healer. I had a healer a [b']long time ago and I obtained a total of two kills neither of which was undead. The first was a bersurker who attacked me raged and died when I didnt bother to type flee. The second was a battlemage who attacked me, fled almost dead and sat in the room right next to me. I walked in he taunted me a bit and I killed him. I Rped it out as I was a storm giant and they are quick to anger and every one was happy with it. Also there was an imm watching cause I was rping with him at the time too. Now the questions, was I out of line, was the imm just being lazy, or was that allowed? Also, is that allowed now, chasing an opponent a bit for the kill? Again, that is for a bit, not attacking, chasing for three days and finally getting the kill. Finally I never read Viri's Healer Mandatum post could that be brought back somewhere or have a link to it or something?
Ok I remember a storm healer who aggresively killed me in the citadel. Can't remember the name but he tried to rp some crap about blah blah blah purity. Bottom line. If you WANT to pk when you feel the need, make a cleric not a healer. Its like fighting indians with a tank. Of course the indians can win, but how can you enjoy it AT ALL.
Word, emp_newb, word. Btw, I still say healers suck, is noone listening?!